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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #60 on: January 28, 2009, 01:51:54 PM »

F6F-5N did have a crude radar pod on the end of it's right wing,There is some confusion on wheather the plane did have 20m's but most sources say that it was armed with 6 50's only. There was some gun barrel length's changed most likely for gunflash reasons.

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My long reply mentions this. I even found somewhere how the 20mm did not perform well on the Hellcat in tests.
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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2009, 02:37:04 PM »
the 20mm package was built in from the birth of the hellcat as an option. yes early test showed a jamming issue not fixed untill the f6f-5n. but it was an option non the less. that is documented fact. i would absolutly love to all the night fighters and actuall night time in game. its my understanding that there was night in ahI yet no night fighters.... why, i have no idea. everyone wants there own preferences brought to the game. this is my preference.
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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2009, 02:40:48 PM »
its my understanding that there was night in ahI yet no night fighters.... why, i have no idea. everyone wants there own preferences brought to the game. this is my preference.
Because at night in Aces High you still have ground controlled radar, and you can still see pretty well. Thus heavy nightfighters with gargantuan gun packages and onboard radar are useless. Though I think it would be interesting to see proper night in Special Events (with highly reduced visibility and plane mounted radar), from what I read about night combat it would be extremely boring for the MA's.

Like I said though, I think if we had a couple nightfighters it would make for some sweet Special Events...

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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #63 on: January 28, 2009, 02:47:26 PM »
the 20mm package was built in from the birth of the hellcat as an option. yes early test showed a jamming issue not fixed untill the f6f-5n. but it was an option non the less. that is documented fact. i would absolutly love to all the night fighters and actuall night time in game. its my understanding that there was night in ahI yet no night fighters.... why, i have no idea. everyone wants there own preferences brought to the game. this is my preference.

It was a factory design spec option and that's it.  The F6F-5 was never delivered from the factory or deployed with the 20mm cannon weapons package.  The same thing with wanting the 4 blade prop, it's not going to happen either because as others have already noted, the 4 bladed prop was only on two test aircraft.  You asking for the 4 bladed prop would be like me asking for the P-38K.

Just because the design specs stated that it could mount 20mm cannons, doesn't always mean they were deployed that way.  For example, the P-38 was designed to carry the 37mm Oldsmobile cannon but in reality it never had that cannon mounted.  But using your argument with the Hellcat, then the P-38 should have the option of loading up a 37mm cannon instead of the 20mm Hispano it carried because after all the design specs said it could be done.

As for the night time we used to have, it wasn't 'true night' and most would just up the gamma to see in the dark.  In order to make a night fighter viable, we would need a more accurate 'night time model' as well as modeling of the various airborne radar units that were used and a measure to prevent players from upping the gamma to see in the dark. 


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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #64 on: January 28, 2009, 02:50:34 PM »
do some offline missions, change it to night and no icons..... its very challenging.
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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #65 on: January 28, 2009, 03:40:11 PM »
well u guys dont seem to understand that the f6f-5n did indeed use the 20mm gun package and that this is the wishlist. i want the f6f-5n. end of that debate. f6f-3 woud be nice to along with the f6f-5 performance being corrected. is that simple enuf?
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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #66 on: January 28, 2009, 03:47:07 PM »
Without any 'real' night time in AH, a snow ball has a better chance in Hell than you getting the -5N added to AH.


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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #67 on: January 28, 2009, 03:50:07 PM »
IIRC the standard for the f6f-5n was still 6 50's.  Some field modifications were made, adding 2 20mm in place of a set of 50 guns.  This left the modified planes with 2 20mm and 4 50 cals.

Standard for the N was the 2x20, same for the P...the problem was the availability of the links for the 20mm rounds. Many N's had to be converted back to the 6 x .50 due to the lack of links. However both the N and P did operate in the 2x20mm configuration. I'm not sure if widewing was ever able to determine if VOF-1 was operating the P's with the 20mm or not in southern France, I know that pics of the 20mm -P's in VOF-1 markings have been posted here. The British did operate some of the Gannets (F6F-5) in the 2 x 20mm configuration as well.
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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #68 on: January 28, 2009, 04:06:47 PM »
Standard for the N was the 2x20, same for the P...the problem was the availability of the links for the 20mm rounds. Many N's had to be converted back to the 6 x .50 due to the lack of links. However both the N and P did operate in the 2x20mm configuration. I'm not sure if widewing was ever able to determine if VOF-1 was operating the P's with the 20mm or not in southern France, I know that pics of the 20mm -P's in VOF-1 markings have been posted here. The British did operate some of the Gannets (F6F-5) in the 2 x 20mm configuration as well.

I think the number of 20mm cannon equipped -5P photo/recce Hellcats was lower than the number of -5N Hellcats with 20mm cannons.  I did post a picture in the first thread about this (think it was around 3-4 years ago) that showed a -5P in flight with the dual 20mm cannons and 4x .50s.


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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #69 on: January 28, 2009, 04:52:22 PM »
as far as the f6f-5n being a night fighter. the aircraft saw most of its action in the day.   so day or night it would be nice to have and add some new tactics should htc model aircraft mounted radar. so all the nit picking is done about the facts. the only real solid answer will come in time. the only other thing i could ask is that the current hellcat get its actual performance.
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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2009, 04:59:23 PM »
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My long reply mentions this. I even found somewhere how the 20mm did not perform well on the Hellcat in tests.

I know Bruce Porter who flew F6F-5N's with the Marines . I will ask him what his memory recalls about the plane.

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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2009, 05:35:14 PM »
The only complaint I've seen brought up about our F6F elsewhere is that the top speed in the game was taken from a known error in airspeed calibration caused by the pitot tube's location. The other performance characteristics fall right about where they should. I agree this SHOULD be fixed, but I think you're expecting that there's a modeling error that will either instantly turn the F6F into a super-plane or otherwise drastically alter the flight characteristics. In reality the only difference you're going to see is in level speed, (she still won't be any faster than the F4U-1D) any other changes wouldn't be very noticeable.
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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #72 on: January 28, 2009, 05:49:52 PM »
I think the number of 20mm cannon equipped -5P photo/recce Hellcats was lower than the number of -5N Hellcats with 20mm cannons.  I did post a picture in the first thread about this (think it was around 3-4 years ago) that showed a -5P in flight with the dual 20mm cannons and 4x .50s.


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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #73 on: January 28, 2009, 05:57:38 PM »
I'm just saying instead of "golly gee, a night fighter version of the F6F sure would be swell, wouldn't it fellas?"  All these type threads should be titled "I want a bigger gun."  And we know what that implies....

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Lots of threads with different planes but all the same:

P-51 with cannons
F6F with cannons
Spitfire with two cannons

Rare.  Possible, but not typical.

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Re: F6F-5N
« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2009, 08:10:41 PM »
honestly i just want all the versions of the hellcat. and im not looking for the hellcat to be transformed into a super plane. lol.  just some options. and the correct performance. the little bit of extra speed would be really useful.
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