Author Topic: 88mm Flak or PATRIOT missiles??? (Read 352 times)

Tac · « **on:** January 08, 2001, 05:46:00 PM »

Knit Fleet parked outside rook field A8, no planes can get above 6k alt before the flak shoot them down.

Tested to go 10k over the fleet at A8 , did some really hard turns, loops, etc. Flak ALWAYS pinged my plane on every salvo they fired.

Tried it 3 more times and each time I got shot down at the 3rd or 4th salvo of flak (while doing some serious out of plane turns and manouvering).

On another ocassion I chased a 109 that was high over his fleet and got shot down while following that 109 in near-blackout ACM'ing (at 10k+ alt!).

Hell, I even TOOK OFF A8 heading the opposite way of the fleet and the moment I hit flak alt I got shot down in the second salvo of flak (the first one scared me toejamless).

This AI crapolia is getting WAY out of hand.
I am SICK of getting shot down by AI. I believe im paying to fly against and with other people, not against AI. I'd go back to EVERQUEST if I wanted to go that low.

[This message has been edited by Tac (edited 01-08-2001).]

TheWobble · « **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2001, 05:51:00 PM »

Yes the AI flak is quite INSANE now, and guess what....you cant change it with arena setting if ya try to excape it in H2H...no matter what you set in arena settings it doesent affect fleets.

Spatula · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2001, 06:16:00 PM »

More like a 'star wars' defense system

Dos Equis · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2001, 06:25:00 PM »

TAC:

Did you film this? Can you post a link to the film?

X2

SKurj · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2001, 06:34:00 PM »

errm any proof it was AI, and not hooman?

I've yet to be hit by fleet flak.

AKskurj

TheWobble · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2001, 06:38:00 PM »

AI flak has bo tracers, Human flak DOES, I never saw any tracers and when i was testing it offline i know it wanst human, besides, the distance the flak is killing from now is FAR beyond Icon range (10-12k)...it really is quite deadly, there is no need for such deadyl flak with fleet that is bristleing with guns that can be aimed by players and has pleans areound it constantly.

Tac · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2001, 07:03:00 PM »

Flak=black puffs o' death

No human gunners can hit you at 10k+, and certainly NOT when you manouvering. Stinks of AI... because it IS AI.

LJK Raubvogel · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2001, 07:24:00 PM »

I've never managed to be unlucky enough to be killed by proximity fuses from the fleet AI ack. The small caliber stuff on the ships has nailed me good, but the flak seems pretty harmless. Just my 2 cents

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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 01-08-2001).]

Tac · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2001, 07:26:00 PM »

before patch it was, now after the patch the AI has become unholy accurate. Not to mention that you practically cant fly 10km near the fleet without getting whacked out of the sky.

Eagler · « **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2001, 09:07:00 PM »

I think ack should stop when friendly planes are near, just as they had to in RL or risk shooting down one of their own.

Eagler

Moss · « **Reply #10 on:** January 08, 2001, 09:10:00 PM »

Agree..I just got shot down from what seemed about 5 miles from the ack, 10k, and I was hit with the 1st burst. Total crap IMHO. This needs changing to back what it was!!!

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Citabria · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2001, 09:15:00 PM »

just after the patch came out I was at 15k enjoying a 6 kill sortie vs f4u1c's in my p-38L. I wandered to within visual range of the rook cv and within moments I heard...

boom boom boom boom boom crack!

boom boom boom boom boom crack!

it was like that black rain cloud you see in cartoons that rains directly on the cartoons head and nowhere else. surrounding my p38 on all sides.

I tried doing hard break turns every few moments but it was no use. the flaks had no shell travel time. all my movements were instantly accounted for and the shells kept exploding all over my p38. I heard a third crack and I knew the next one would be a direct hit from what everyone else was experiencing.

I put the p38 in a screaming 500mph dive for the deck rolling like mad till i compressed.

the flak was unfazed and continued to hit all around me. boom boom boom boom CRACK! until I got below 2k.

well by diving like mad for the deck I escaped the extremely annoying and repetitive BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM CRACK! routine of the AI only to end up on the deck with 3 f4u1c's above me.

naturally I died quickly in a hail of 20mm from 3 different directions and cursed the new dynamic duo of the Sa-88 flak missle system and that big blue piece of toejam.

I stopped enjoying AH completely at that moment.

Maverick · « **Reply #12 on:** January 08, 2001, 10:55:00 PM »

Pyro already stated in another thread they will reduce lethality for the ack (AI). He didn't make any changes in it other than in the frame rate areas but it seemed to make it more effective.

Mav

flakbait · « **Reply #13 on:** January 08, 2001, 11:14:00 PM »

Been this way for a long time guys. Back when those high-alt bursts were first put in they would kill everyone. They got fixed in 1.04 to some extent; they didn't hit bombers just fighters. Took a direct hit over A2 (BETA map) in 1.04P4; 31k in a P-51 doing well over 370 mph. First shot went behind me, second shot blew my right wing off. When I first saw 1.05 for myself, and watched those 88s blow all over the place, I smiled.

Right now I'm looking to fry those gunners with napalm; too bad we don't have any.

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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School
"With all due respect Chaplian, I don't think God wants to hear from me right now.
I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
Col. McQueen, Space: Above and Beyond

Eagler · « **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2001, 07:41:00 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Citabria:
just after the patch came out I was at 15k enjoying a 6 kill sortie vs f4u1c's in my p-38L. I wandered to within visual range of the rook cv and within moments I heard...

boom boom boom boom boom crack!

boom boom boom boom boom crack!

it was like that black rain cloud you see in cartoons that rains directly on the cartoons head and nowhere else. surrounding my p38 on all sides.

I tried doing hard break turns every few moments but it was no use. the flaks had no shell travel time. all my movements were instantly accounted for and the shells kept exploding all over my p38. I heard a third crack and I knew the next one would be a direct hit from what everyone else was experiencing.

I put the p38 in a screaming 500mph dive for the deck rolling like mad till i compressed.

the flak was unfazed and continued to hit all around me. boom boom boom boom CRACK! until I got below 2k.

well by diving like mad for the deck I escaped the extremely annoying and repetitive BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM CRACK! routine of the AI only to end up on the deck with 3 f4u1c's above me.

naturally I died quickly in a hail of 20mm from 3 different directions and cursed the new dynamic duo of the Sa-88 flak missle system and that big blue piece of toejam.

I stopped enjoying AH completely at that moment.

I experienced this 6 shooter ack this am also. As Cit describes above there was no way to get away from it. I looked around to see where it was coming from but all I could see where some ships way the hell out in the ocean, way to far to be so darn accurate. I think it was a PT boat but not sure. Didn't live long enough to find out. AH please look into this as it does affect game play negatively.

thanks

Eagler

Author Topic: 88mm Flak or PATRIOT missiles??? (Read 352 times)

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