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Offline Nilsen

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Re: How's the economy in your state?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2009, 04:22:36 PM »
With the low quality output of china I'd never dream of buying anything like a plane or car from there.

Oh they make loads of quality and high end products too, but when it comes to cars id agree. They have yet to reach a high enough standard, but in a few years they will prolly be there.

First attempts at something like cars is usually poor, but from there they can get to good quality real fast when they are over the first learning curve. Its the step from good quality everyday cars to high end/leading design that is the hard bit. If the ecomony in the developed world plunges even further im pretty sure many good designers and engeneers that used to work here would not mind taking on work in china if the offer is decent or even present.

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Re: How's the economy in your state?
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2009, 04:37:40 PM »
With the low quality output of china I'd never dream of buying anything like a plane or car from there.

same here.
my goal is to own my own aircraft in the next 5 years. i was going for either a 152 or a 172. then i heard about the skycatcher, and figured i could find a way to afford that and have a brand new one. then i hear about them building em in china......now i'm back to looking at 152's and 172's.
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Re: How's the economy in your state?
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2009, 05:05:03 PM »
The economy in Michigan has been in the crapper for years.  You all are just catching up with us.  I can't comment on my theories as to why without getting modded or getting the thread locked and that's all I've got to say about that.

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Re: How's the economy in your state?
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2009, 11:08:29 PM »
im in central florida and while it hasnt been REAL bad it has been detrimental.

most of the big companies that relied on loans and credit got slapped and either closed down or went into skeleton-staff mode. I was laid off Nov4 from one such company.

However other sectors are still strong. Tourism is one of the main things around here and rule of thumb is that even in the bad times people will still take vacations...they'll just get them cheaper.

which is why many of the big megacorporations are suffering so much. They cannot sustain their spending level in marketing and infrastructure to top their competitors because the consumer is buying from the smaller, less bling competitor that offers about the same for much less.

I get the feeling that the one good thing of this economic crash is that the big companies will be fading and maybe the middle-sized and small sized bussineses will sprout to replace them. (and much later on be absorbed by the big ones.. its a cycle).

One of the things that impressed me the most when I visited Japan was just how many small and local bussinesses and shops there were... for example there's hardly a 'supermarket' or walmart type store; there's hundreds of little shops all over the place selling the stuff. A grocery mart in one corner, a 7-11 like store in another, a veggie/produce shop down the street, a mini-meat mart on the other side..

just amazing. big companies handling the distribution but private shop owners handling the retail.

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Re: How's the economy in your state?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2009, 06:39:28 AM »
The economy in Michigan has been in the crapper for years.  You all are just catching up with us.  I can't comment on my theories as to why without getting modded or getting the thread locked and that's all I've got to say about that.

Michigan, like California, keeps trying to tax itself into prosperity. I took a SALT class (Sales and Local Taxation) after studying Michigan I said my gawd that is just awful. They have so many tax laws it is unbelievable. The professor said yes but California is worse.

Michigan is a beautiful state just too bad they can't get their act together.

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Re: How's the economy in your state?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2009, 07:29:55 AM »
Maryland (well, at least the 95 corridor) is doing fairly well.  There are a lot of government jobs in the DC/MD/N. VA area that pay well and are stable.  Not much in the way of manufacturing here anymore, so that isn't hurting.

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Re: How's the economy in your state?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2009, 09:04:45 AM »
Sucks.

Look who the governor was and that will give you an idea......
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Re: How's the economy in your state?
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2009, 09:08:55 AM »
All those good paying, stable government jobs won't make things better. Today, about half of all American workers are employed by, or selling some product or service to local, state or the federal government, or they are getting some transfer payment. Think about it. Is someone in your household or family in that situation?

Two generations ago, federal employees had stable, but not well-paid careers. It was the trade off that came with what used to be called "Civil Service." People sacrificed earnings and even the right to vote to be "civil service" workers and serve their country without political interference.

One generation back, politicians created a new constituency by repealing parts of the Hatch Act to allow federal employees to vote and promised to raise the compensation in exchange for votes from their new constituents. Big government supporters became entrenched in congress.

This generation of government employees are like an aristocracy, or a ruling class. Their compensation is more than the private sector now. They never have efficiency gains and are unproductive. Improved efficiencies and productivity are important elements of economic recoveries. Recoveries can only happen when unproductive activity is replaced by efficient activity.

Profit is a reward the comes from efficient production or sales of goods or services that are in demand within a free market. Government demand is not a free market demand because the buyer isn't using the reward from any profitable endeavor to pay for the product or service.

Now, I know all of you government employees, retirees, contractors and people working for businesses that depend on government contracts for your jobs won't like what I wrote. I can understand how people seek stability and defend their government work as doing something of "service" to their country. But, if you step back away from your own position and take a holistic look at economics and history, you'll see that the major contributing factor in the fall of the Soviet Union was the inefficient economic model of a massive government bureaucracy to build and maintain a military. The malinvestment in government, by government, made no investment money available for businesses that could be productive in creating a consumer and non-military industrial economy. It is that productive, market economy that creates wealth, not government.

The US is very close to that same situation that the USSR was in.

I feel badly for all of you who have lost your jobs. I'm glad that I'm not young or have a house full of kids now. There is something to be learned from even the worst financial situation, and that is that you should have, and must, save money. If you've been in the workforce for ten years, you should have enough savings to last you 1 year without any reduction in standard of living. You should have 2 years of annual salary saved if you're forty years old. If you don't have that savings, then you had better learn your lesson and pledge to yourself that you will never, ever not save again.

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Re: How's the economy in your state?
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2009, 11:20:46 AM »
Rolex -

I don't disagree with you.  I was very surprised when I started with the Army that the salaries were quite competitive with "industry". 

My starting salary wasn't high (especially for Md) at just under 38k, but most of the folks who have worked for the government for 20 years are making around 100k.  I could probably do about as well (with less stability) if I had gone forward with my original plan to be an actuary - better if I passed a lot of the tests, but I really value the security here.

As far as the direction of the country goes, I don't feel very optimistic.  I think that over the course of my life I'll see the standard of living in the US go down until it hits that of the third world coming up.  There just aren't very many jobs left in the country that pay well, the most prevalent job in most of the states is "cashier/retail sales".  I think that pretty soon the US will be a "Wal-mart Nation", with a bunch of minimum wage workers spending their salaries where they work and never 'getting ahead'.