Rap Can Be Good

[Bronk]

Depends on who doing it.... I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoAAbu2LUWQ
 

[rogwar]

Besides the Vocalists aka "Rappers", everyone on stage had a musical instrument.

Yes but could they play them?

 

[Nefarious]

Yes but could they play them?

 

Better than me. 

[Toof]

"Music is a science, until you understand that you shouldn't be arguing with me. People have been making music for over a thousand years using the concepts of the ancient greeks (scales and what have you) and it has managed to grow and reinvent itself and not get stagnate."

I apologize for not quoting that properly (I cut and pasted, I cheat).

But you said it yourself there "and it has managed to grow and reinvent itself and not stagnate".

Rap (as horrible as some of it may actually be) is the antithesis to the point you were making there. The kids nowadays like their blase' music, with heavy bass and what have you.

Those of us cultured and or educated enough(music wise, this isn't a shot at anyone by any means) to understand the pentatonic scales, chord progression, the in's and the out's of what makes "music" "music" should have at least a modicum of respect for even music such as rap(not so much a fan of rap, but at least true hip-hop, I'll use rap as an example).

Go hit up some Jurassic 5, or Blackalicious, Deltron 3030 as the thread started with. That my friends, isn't rap. That is hip hop. Some of it may be poetry with a beat, but what earth shattering idea have you come up with that debunks, and makes "less than music" of "rap"

Someone in this thread asked as far as instruments go "if they could play them".

Check out The Roots....Mos Def...De' La Soul..... Hip hop has a little more grounding in the fundamentals of "music" than the rap we hear nowadays does.

I kind of thought about just not even posting this, but whatever, have fun.

Kinda forgot where I was going with this, but I just can't seem to understand how people who like a certain type of music can't at least respect what someone else has thrown out there. Rather or not if they're wearing a 5 karat stud in their ear, someone in the production process knows what the F he/she is doing. Else wise "they" (the rappers you mentioned earlier as being talentless) wouldn't be driving Maybach's while we play computer games.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean a million kids who are willing to chunk up $15 a CD don't either.

[Ack-Ack]

Who cares?

Chord progression or pentatonic scale....who really gives a crap. Music is Music. Me farting could be considered music. I make music using my car's turn blinker and my hands. Anyone can make music. Just like any art form, it is subject to how a person interprets it. You putting a definition to what music is and isn't is just plain stupid.

Approaching music as a "Science" is just ridiculous. How do you explain some of the tribal musicians that existed thousands of years before music was written? Do you think they were like, "Oh chit, we can't play this music because we don't know chord progression or pentatonic scale"?

Music is Music. That's all it is. Like I said before, when you put limitations on an art form it becomes very stagnate and boring. Some of the most famous and influential musicians were able to step outside of what was considered the "proper" way to write and play music.

Anyone with a borderline gay obsession with the Jonas Brothers knows not what good music is.


ack-ack

[CAVPFCDD]

But you said it yourself there "and it has managed to grow and reinvent itself and not stagnate".

Rap (as horrible as some of it may actually be) is the antithesis to the point you were making there. The kids nowadays like their blase' music, with heavy bass and what have you.

Those of us cultured and or educated enough(music wise, this isn't a shot at anyone by any means) to understand the pentatonic scales, chord progression, the in's and the out's of what makes "music" "music" should have at least a modicum of respect for even music such as rap(not so much a fan of rap, but at least true hip-hop, I'll use rap as an example).

Go hit up some Jurassic 5, or Blackalicious, Deltron 3030 as the thread started with. That my friends, isn't rap. That is hip hop. Some of it may be poetry with a beat, but what earth shattering idea have you come up with that debunks, and makes "less than music" of "rap"

Someone in this thread asked as far as instruments go "if they could play them".

Check out The Roots....Mos Def...De' La Soul..... Hip hop has a little more grounding in the fundamentals of "music" than the rap we hear nowadays does.

I kind of thought about just not even posting this, but whatever, have fun.

first off my statement about growing and not becoming stagnate could be interpreted that way, but i was refering to music with structure and not just a beat with words, i was proving the point to twentyfo that following actual musical structure there are infinate possibilities and that can never get stagnate.

And I've heard some of the stuff you're refering too and it's not bad, I know the roots actually are muscians and I can respect that.

Now in regard to rap selling alot, its because its catchy and unfortunatly the current youth generation is fixated on catchy music that in reality sucks.

I want to listen to music and feel a whole range of emotions, you know? Feel good and get inspired.... music that actually means something and that has already stood the test of time.

Rap as it is, doesn't stand the test of time, a million new rappers come out all the time and nobody really cares that much about them after a while, with a few exceptions. Its juts catchy crap and people cant see it for what it is.

[Masherbrum]

TwentyFo, I disagree with a portion of you posts. 

1.)   Music isn't a "Science", it's the "Universal Language".   Nothing scientific about communication, regardless of language barriers.   
2.)   Most of the "Rappers" today suck.   But the public doesn't care.

I listen to "old school" these days because it takes me back to High School (88-91).   I still listen to Public Enemy, NWA, 2 Live Crew, Poison Clan, MC Breed (from an hour north of me in Flint), ESHAM/NATAS, Ice-T, Dre, Ice Cube, Geto Boys and others from that era.   

Sure they sampled, but not even remotely close to how it is today.   Lil Wayne is a drug trafficker and Kanye opens his mouth too much.   

[zuii]

well its certainly isn't as bad as it sounds.

 

zuii

[Xasthur]

Rap is never good. Never. Live with it. 

QFT

[dentin]

Rap is for people that are "tone deaf".