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Offline Krusty

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Re: 190-9A
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2009, 07:25:08 PM »
The A-9 wasn't some super-plane. It was an A-8 frame, had all the A-8 weapons rutsatz, the majority of them had the same prop and same tail (only some had wooden props and ta-152-style tail fins), but it had 10mph more on the deck.

It's even pretty hard to find specs for the A-9s performance. Some say from 355-360 on the deck, some say 359. Keep in mind our A-8 already in-game does 350MPH on the deck (clean).

Not really much of a performance boost. It will still turn pretty much the same as the A-8 does.

Of the 21,000-or-so (not counting Ta's) Fws only about 900 were A-9s.

Maybe the reason you'd like the A-9 is because our current A-8 is modeled quite a bit over-weight? It's almost 300lbs heavier than most documents list it, and this could be why you feel it's "piggish" -- because it is!

If we had some major weight checks on the 190 line, we probably wouldn't need the A-9 at all. The A-8 and F-8 are identical, for example, in climb, and speed, despite being 500lbs heavier (armor plating) -- which SHOULD reduce speed, acceleration, or climb rate, but does not. I think the 190 series needs to be rechecked. THEN we'd probably feel the A-8 is a bit more nimble, and the F-8 a bit more piggish.

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Re: 190-9A
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2009, 07:45:49 PM »
300lbs less and more power wouldn't make for negligible differences.
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Re: 190-9A
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2009, 07:55:03 PM »
To me what makes the 190 series seem tough is the AoA restriction compared to other aircraft.  Even at 300mph ias, the 190s (to varying degrees depending on the model) reach critical AoA with only modest elevator input.
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Re: 190-9A
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2009, 08:51:33 PM »
300lbs less and more power wouldn't make for negligible differences.

Whatever the weight of our current A-8, the same airframe weight applies to the A-9. So "if" HTC fixes the A-8, the relative performance between it and any A-9 model would be slight.

It's not as if we'd get an A-9 at the proper weight and an A-8 some 250+ lbs overweight. I think HTC would be consistent between the two models.

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Re: 190-9A
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2009, 01:21:41 AM »
Isn't the A8 that heavy because of extra armor?  Having the A8 as the armor model might be a good thing to leave as is, so we'd get the punchiest possible A8/9.
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Re: 190-9A
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2009, 06:07:28 AM »

If we had some major weight checks on the 190 line, we probably wouldn't need the A-9 at all. The A-8 and F-8 are identical, for example, in climb, and speed, despite being 500lbs heavier (armor plating) -- which SHOULD reduce speed, acceleration, or climb rate, but does not. I think the 190 series needs to be rechecked. THEN we'd probably feel the A-8 is a bit more nimble, and the F-8 a bit more piggish.

Well, the F8 actually does have performance hits compared to a a A8 with the same gun loadout loadout. It looses about 10% in acceleration, climb and turnrate. the max AoA does suffer also.  I dont see why the speed should be lower, unless the armor plating would cause more drag. In this case the extra weight is negligible.   

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Re: 190-9A
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2009, 08:46:26 AM »
300lbs less and more power wouldn't make for negligible differences.

Disagree, personally.

Weight is (to me) particularly noticeable with the 190 airframe.  A 2x20mm A5 feels like a completely different A/C when compared to a 2x20mm A8.

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Re: 190-9A
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2009, 10:42:58 AM »
Read the quote again.  He said "would not make for negligible differences."  It's a double negative. :D
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Re: 190-9A
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2009, 11:50:04 AM »
Read the quote again.  He said "would not make for negligible differences."  It's a double negative. :D

Opps.   :D

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Re: 190-9A
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2009, 12:31:40 AM »
Disagree, personally.

Weight is (to me) particularly noticeable with the 190 airframe.  A 2x20mm A5 feels like a completely different A/C when compared to a 2x20mm A8.

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