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Offline Blake7

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Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« on: February 07, 2009, 07:38:44 PM »
Is there any way to get a P.38 out of a Compressed dive. on AH

Saw thisis vid on you tube about a real life compression situ.

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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 07:41:18 PM »
In any aircraft in AH, if you are in a compressed dive, tap your "K" key (or whatever you have set as 'elevator trim up') and it will pull you out of a dive.  Go to the Training arena, be sure to be a Bishop, Go to A3 and choose an aircraft...spawn SE, which spawns you 30k above A1, and practice it :)
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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 07:48:57 PM »
Is there any way to get a P.38 out of a Compressed dive. on AH

Saw thisis vid on you tube about a real life compression situ.

Check out this link. And check out the odds  50-2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRLk9b9AcY

A Highlly Respectfull  :salute to Brig Gen Robin Olds U.S.A.F.(retd)

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Too add to Banshee's info: You'll want to disable combat trim(I have it mapped to my X-45 and not sure what the keyboard command is) and then trim elevator UP..  Also, on the 38L, you can use the dive recovery flaps (shift+C)..  This won't slow you down, but will help in getting your nose pitched back up..  I usually use a combination of both..


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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2009, 07:54:06 PM »
When you trim your elevators (or any control surface) it automatically turns your combat trim off...i thought
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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2009, 08:04:23 PM »
When you trim your elevators (or any control surface) it automatically turns your combat trim off...i thought

Well, I know I use rudder trim on the keyboard to adjust while flying formations or when precision flying is required..  It doesn't turn off combat trim..
But I don't think you can use elevator trim without disable combat trim....  Let me get in the offline area real quick and see....
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Ok, so I tried it out and it's as I say...  You can still use rudder trim while combat trim (as well as autopilot) is on..  However, you must disengage combat trim
if you want to use elevator trim..  Also, ctrl+X disables/enables combat trim since I couldn't remember what it was before.... :salute


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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 10:09:12 PM »
1. Throttle back.

2. Trim up.

3. Cross control until you bleed enough speed.
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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2009, 10:39:27 PM »
Well, I know I use rudder trim on the keyboard to adjust while flying formations or when precision flying is required..  It doesn't turn off combat trim..
But I don't think you can use elevator trim without disable combat trim....  Let me get in the offline area real quick and see....
(2 minutes later)

Ok, so I tried it out and it's as I say...  You can still use rudder trim while combat trim (as well as autopilot) is on..  However, you must disengage combat trim
if you want to use elevator trim..  Also, ctrl+X disables/enables combat trim since I couldn't remember what it was before.... :salute





This is incorrect. You do not have to disable CT in order to use ele trim.  CT is automatically disabled as soon as you fiddle with trim configuration
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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2009, 10:41:06 PM »
CT always off  :aok
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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2009, 11:52:32 PM »


If you find yourself compressing a lot in the P38, you are doing something wrong.

Exactly.  Compressability is something that is easily avoided and as Del pointed out, you screwed the pooch big time of you find yourself in a compressability state.

The P-38 has two very large rudders that can be used to help slow you down in a dive and along with proper throttle control, you can easily reach 475mph - 500mph IAS in a dive and still recover without having to resort to hitting auto trim.


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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2009, 12:57:04 AM »
1. Throttle back.

2. Trim up.

3. Cross control until you bleed enough speed.
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If you find yourself compressing a lot in the P38, you are doing something wrong.

Yeah....What Del said...

I figure he'll eventually learn how not to compress like the rest of us...  :)
But until then, this is a good thing to know...
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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2009, 01:56:54 AM »
Is there any way to get a P.38 out of a Compressed dive. on AH

Saw thisis vid on you tube about a real life compression situ.

Check out this link. And check out the odds  50-2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRLk9b9AcY

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trim ur elevator up.....the k key.
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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2009, 12:42:07 AM »
Cut throttle, turn off CT, manually trim up, turn rudder if able, and stick with it.  You'll be surprised at how low you'll pull out of it... but you will.

If you're in the L model, deploy those "dive recovery flaps" PRIOR to the dive.  Those things are a God send. 

Above all, prepare and do you're best not to get into that predictiment to begin with.  :)  Dont start your dive at 10k above the target, start at 5 or 6k at a low speed if possible.  I try and begin the dive at less than 250mph (TAS).  Ditto for Mossie, P47, and Tiff.

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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2009, 01:42:11 AM »


If you're in the L model, deploy those "dive recovery flaps" PRIOR to the dive.  Those things are a God send. 



Just like in real life, you can deploy the dive flaps after you've already started your dive in AH.


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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2009, 02:00:08 AM »
Just like in real life, you can deploy the dive flaps after you've already started your dive in AH.


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Combat trim should be disabled prior to the dive, or shortly into it for the dive flaps to work properly, otherwise the trim simply shoves the nose down harder when the flaps try to lift it.

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Re: Recovering From Compression situ's in P.38
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2009, 04:37:23 AM »
Combat trim should be disabled prior to the dive, or shortly into it for the dive flaps to work properly, otherwise the trim simply shoves the nose down harder when the flaps try to lift it.

You shouldn't have combat trim on to begin with if you're flying the P-38.


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