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Amerika Bomber
« on: February 08, 2009, 11:05:34 PM »
ok so i heard a story about this from one of my friends but i forgot what the amerika bomber was.

does anyone have any good information about it
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Re: Amerika Bomber
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2009, 11:17:33 PM »
The Wikipedia article is actually not a bad way to start with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_Bomber
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Re: Amerika Bomber
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2009, 03:16:23 AM »
moin

maybe he is talking about this bird.



or the nurflügler projeckt with turbins.

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Re: Amerika Bomber
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2009, 07:47:09 PM »
It's a deluded fantasy that had a snowball's chance in hell of being what the Nazi's wanted it to be.

That's all you need to know. It was a design on paper (one of tens of thousands at the end of the war) where any radical, outlandish idea was entertained by Hitler and his cronies to fight back in a losing war. Had they the pilots, I'm sure they would have gone kamikaze, like the Japanese (they even tried ramming units, but not many did the deed).

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Re: Amerika Bomber
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2009, 10:04:52 PM »
i think the best thing that the germans could have used was the longer range v2 that they were developing
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2009, 02:13:53 AM »
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Re: Amerika Bomber
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 11:09:50 AM »



The Ju 390 was selected from several design proposals as Luftwaffe's "Amerika bomber". Two were built before all bomber projects were cancelled in 1944 in favour of fighter production. One reportedly served with the infamous KG 200 unit, and allegedly flew a 32 hour recce flight from France to within 12 miles of New York and back. The world's first intercontinental bomber.
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Re: Amerika Bomber
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2009, 11:28:37 AM »
It was a weird dream of the Nazis to be able to bomb the USA into submission while they couldn't do it to England (From occupied France the distance is very small).
But of course they were dabbling with Nuke ideas...
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Re: Amerika Bomber
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2009, 12:06:12 PM »
Try going through the Luft '46 site.

http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/me264.html
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Re: Amerika Bomber
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 12:43:24 PM »
It was a weird dream of the Nazis to be able to bomb the USA into submission while they couldn't do it to England (From occupied France the distance is very small).
But of course they were dabbling with Nuke ideas...

Not quite right. Actually the "Amerika bomber" was a pre-war idea fostered by Goering and made "official" by Hitler in 1940. The project plan was completed in 1942.

Also, the Germans never seriously tried to develop a nuclear weapon. To put it in simple terms the scientists in Germany and America both said the same thing: That an atomic bomb was possible, but that it would take a few years and vast resources to develop it. Germany didn't have "a few years". Germany needed weapons that would win the war quickly, so they didn't go for the A-bomb, but only funded a small research project. America on the other hand knew the the war would be a protracted one; even if all of Europe and Russia were defeated by Germany, America would still have to fight on for years. So for the American strategists spending a few years and vast resources on an atomic "super weapon" made perfect sense.
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Re: Amerika Bomber
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 12:45:57 PM »
It was a weird dream of the Nazis to be able to bomb the USA into submission while they couldn't do it to England (From occupied France the distance is very small).
But of course they were dabbling with Nuke ideas...

We did the same thing in '41; started designing a contingency bomber for trans-Atlantic attacks should the UK start speaking German.  

The bomber finally flew in August of '46.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2009, 03:06:05 AM »
Not quite right. Actually the "Amerika bomber" was a pre-war idea fostered by Goering and made "official" by Hitler in 1940. The project plan was completed in 1942.

Also, the Germans never seriously tried to develop a nuclear weapon. To put it in simple terms the scientists in Germany and America both said the same thing: That an atomic bomb was possible, but that it would take a few years and vast resources to develop it. Germany didn't have "a few years". Germany needed weapons that would win the war quickly, so they didn't go for the A-bomb, but only funded a small research project. America on the other hand knew the the war would be a protracted one; even if all of Europe and Russia were defeated by Germany, America would still have to fight on for years. So for the American strategists spending a few years and vast resources on an atomic "super weapon" made perfect sense.

From the idea until non-completion there was a whole WW2. By 1940 it was pretty clear that Hitler could not bomb the British into submission, - after 1940, massed attacks in daylight were put off the table. So an America-bomber with a conventional payload is just plain stupid.
As for the nuclear idea, in 1941 or so, it was yet not known whether the Germans could develop a nuke or not. Well it was certainly NOT known to the allies, since they put some effort into disrupting the German nuclear program. And was it clear to the Germans that their effort would not work? I guess they found out while at it.
A bomber to hit the USA with would thereby only be practical with a non-conventional payload. Despite the fact that a proper raid on a target like a tall-built U.S. metropolis would have yealded very high casualties.
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2009, 03:13:52 AM »
Keep in mind that many top-rank nazi (and Luftwaffe!) leaders had severe delusions about the impact of any conventional strikes upon the moral of the  American general public & leadership.
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Re: Amerika Bomber
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2009, 07:51:29 AM »
Keep in mind that many top-rank nazi (and Luftwaffe!) leaders had severe delusions about the impact of any conventional strikes upon the moral of the  American general public & leadership.

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Re: Amerika Bomber
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2009, 07:55:36 AM »
i think the best thing that the germans could have used was the longer range v2 that they were developing

V2 is a perfect example of the muddled thinking that kept German production from reaching its potential. It did not come anywhere near the destructive power needed to justify the utterly massive expenditure of resources required by its development and deployment.

Technically impressive, yes. But strategically useless. Remember that the entire payload was about 1000kg....and that a single B-24 was able to deliver two and a half TIMES that amount on a long range mission.

And the V-2 cost about $2 billion in development alone. Not to mention the costs of production, the production materials it consumed, the factory and labor production it required, and the literally thousands of lives (primarily of slave laborers) lost during those processes. Could those resources have changed history had they been spent on more mundane tanks, planes, and equipment? We'll never know.

Marvellous as it was, the V2 demonstrates more about Germany's "Cloud cuckoo land" production system than it does her technical wizardry.
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