Ki-84 and pilot wounds

[SmokinLoon]

omfg yea, this is a 20 eny plane not a 15 for this very reason.
Just as a p51 is not an 8 with the planes in game today...the only reason it would drop to an 8 would be for the range and that's not applicable in this game.

Ask Delta - there is something wrong with the p51 50cals (or with the p40) either way they are NOT the same 50cal and yet the p40 50's are far more effective!!!)

But, i doubt hitech REALLY audits their settings and goes back over things, maybe I'm wrong though

Uh oh.. now ya did it.  You questioned them.  Thing is, they... ah Hell, I'm not even going to waste my time.

But yeah, it seems as if you've might on to something.   

[SectorNine50]

Meh, I just think it's blind luck and the situations you put yourself in in that particular aircraft.  I get PW's first shot from puffy ack and field ack all the time in my Pony B, but I don't think that has to do with modeling.  If a person shoots your pilot, he shot your pilot.  Not much you can do, really.

[bongaroo]

Did the KI-84 really shed parts like it does in this game?

I don't think I've been in any other plane in the game that is sooo prone to stuff ripping off at high speed.

Spixtweenies will rip their wings off if they are going to fast and attempt to pull too many g's.  Had one dive in front of me and give me a proxy the other night as he shed his wings and augered in.  I was laughing pretty hard.

Here's the thing with the Ki-84: Just listen to the frame.  You can dive for a bit with things but the 84 is not built for the high speeds that p-51's and p-47's can easily obtain by dipping their noses down.  The Ki-84 does have a nice top speed in level flight that you can surprise some faster birds with as long as they've run out of altitude and any excess E they were carrying.

I ripped some parts off when I first started flying it but quickly learned to listen for the creaking noises that indicate your doing something wrong.  Just throttle back a tad and bring the nose up.  You can pursue people running by just maintaining your alt and following them.  If they come back up in a zoom you can more than likely punish them.

[CAP1]

This plane is one of the worst I've ever flown for pilot wounds.  It's usually the first or second kind of damage you take.  From what I understand the Ki-84 provided far more pilot protection than its predecessor Japanese fighters, but in the game it is worse.  For that matter, the Ki-61 and N1K are both more rugged.

tht'd make a fun matchup with a p38. both would get a PW on the first pass....then it's the battle of the blackouts. 

[Anaxogoras]

Shux, today I cut the throttle and dove from 11k ft to bomb a VH in the Ki-84, and by the time I was at 6k both my elevators and my rudder had ripped off!

[Gianlupo]

When you dive with an 84, keep an eye on the ASI and never exceed 450 mph of indicated airspeed. Faster than that, you'll surely loose parts; till that point, you'll be able to pull out of the dive (pulling gently on the stick!): just keep in mind that this is an empirical observation, so it can be a tad more or tad less of 450 mph. Be careful.

Dive bombing is something I definitely advice not to do with a Frank, unless you are really fast at finding your target, aiming and dropping!

[bongaroo]

Shux, today I cut the throttle and dove from 11k ft to bomb a VH in the Ki-84, and by the time I was at 6k both my elevators and my rudder had ripped off!

Don't dive 5 thousand feet and maybe you'll get to keep some parts

Were you almost verticle dropping down?  Even chopped throttle you can pick up dangerous amounts of speed quickly that way.

[CAP1]

Shux, today I cut the throttle and dove from 11k ft to bomb a VH in the Ki-84, and by the time I was at 6k both my elevators and my rudder had ripped off!

the rudder is your friend.

[Anaxogoras]

Yeah, it's my fault, but I'd like to know why the 84 is so modeled to be so fragile.

[Karnak]

Yeah, it's my fault, but I'd like to know why the 84 is so modeled to be so fragile.

The design itself was fairly robust.

My guess is HTC was putting some quality issues in there to try to simulate the very poor quality control the Japanese had by the time the Ki-84 was in mass production.

[Anaxogoras]

Yes, but the N1K does not have the same problem.

[Karnak]

Yes, but the N1K does not have the same problem.

Nope.  But I still think that is why the Ki-84 sheds parts.

[bongaroo]

A ki84 that didn't shed parts at top speeds would be uber.   

[Anaxogoras]

It's an interesting explanation, karnak, because to my knowledge it would be the only aircraft that has quality control issues included in its flight model.  For instance, all of the late-war German aircraft are free of quality control issues which we know were rampant at the time.

[Karnak]

It's an interesting explanation, karnak, because to my knowledge it would be the only aircraft that has quality control issues included in its flight model.  For instance, all of the late-war German aircraft are free of quality control issues which we know were rampant at the time.

I agree that it would make it the only aircraft so affected.

I have never read or seen anything that indicates the Ki-84 had any inherent weakness that would cause it to shed control surfaces at speeds significantly below other WWII aircraft.