Dude is taken to court for capturing illegals on his own property...

[indy007]

Oh the horrible irony of this last post.

I do indeed agree that the constitution is a sacred document.  I could even argue that it is simply the greatest collection of thoughts and ideas ever placed on paper by man.

However, it does not guarantee you "citizen" rights, sir
It guarantees you "human" rights, because all men are created equally.

Have you actually read it? The idea that all men are created equally is from the Declaration of Independence, which is not codified into our constitution.

[Nwbie]

See Rule #6

[indy007]

See Rule #6

The problem with that is that it refers to "the people" and not "all people", except in regards to due process. So non-citizens get due process, but none of our other rights.

[allaire]

Just like the Mexican national got his due process in Texas.  Who was here illegally and participated in the gang rape and murder of two teenage girls.  And was put to death as he was sentenced.  Even though the Mexican government tried to get the "World Court" to lean on the US government to stop the execution.  To which Texas replied to Bush and the "World Court" "NUTS!"

As for the gentleman getting shafted IMHO he took the steps he felt were necessary to protect his property, his family, and his livestock.  I both applaud and commend him.  I do have one question though does he need help with the security of his ranch.

[Babalonian]

I'm all for the ranch owner and his right to uphold the law on his land, and not turn a blind eye to it and be an accomplice.

But he sounds like he's trying to be a lone ranger or a guy who will take any excuse to scare somebody with a gun.  He has a pretty big ranch, he could call the border patrol and then sit back from a safe distance and watch the immigrants as they walk along, updating the border patrol regularly until they caught up.  He wouldn't have to actually confront them (risk his hide or the immigrants) unless he observed them damaging his property or until the Border Patrol shows up.

[avionix]

He wouldn't have to actually confront them (risk his hide or the immigrants) unless he observed them damaging his property or until the Border Patrol shows up.

But they have destroyed his property.  Second paragraph of the article.

Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home

I can't believe the people that are actually on the side of the illegals.  Don't they get the first part of what an illegal alien is?  Jimminy Christmas!!!!!

[USRanger]

Welcome to Estados Unidos.  I still say mine the border.

[Chalenge]

This man is capable of stopping 12000 illegals from entering and has handed them over without harm to this point? Now some two-bit lawyer thinks he can put a stop to all that. No way will that happen. I would bet this guy is one tough bird that can handle all the criminals they throw at him and I doubt a two-bit lawyer will hold his water well enough to get anything past him.

[Serenity]

Stories like this infuriate me to no end.  If I were a legal immigrant from Mexico I would be even more livid.  The fact that Billions of taxdollars go to support illegals is sickening.  They should be hunted like jackrabbits in the southern deserts by anyone who wants to buy a license, they can use the license fee's to subsidise the ones who make it through.

Hunting Juan with a 12-gauge... sounds like GREAT father-son bonding!

I am 100% for it! I have no problems with LEGAL immigrants. I think however we should bring in some blond-haired blue-eyed boys from Argentina to break out the old MG-42s and sit on the border all day... a can of Budweiser for every scalp they bring back...

Don't they get the first part of what an illegal alien is?  Jimminy Christmas!!!!!

One of the few things George Bush said that made me agree, "People who enter the country illegally are breaking the law.

Yes Moray, I believe in shoot-on-sight if they're on your property. Because what happens if you hesitate. If you stop and think "Maybe he's going to contribute to my economy?" and Chavez, not wanting to have himself, his wife, and his 1,300 children picked up by INS uses the gun he bought illegally, to shoot you and your family? Who cares if it's unlikely. An unfamiliar, unwelcome person on your property is a THREAT and should be treated as such. Especially some fence jumper. If they want to sneak over the border, let them do so at their own risk. If they're caught by the authorities, sure, give them a trial, it IS their right. But if they wander on to a private ranch, the owner should treat them as he sees fit, to protect himself, his investment, his family, and his country. They're NOT citizens. They have NO rights of citizens, they DO occupy needed spots in our schools and hospitals, and we should give them the ONLY thing they deserve by entering our country and leeching off of our money: A short drop and a sudden stop.

True story: I have a friend in California, flies 747-400s for Atlas Air Cargo. He had to take his mother in to the Emergency Room after she had a heart attack. There was a 2-hour wait. Fortunately she was okay, and recovered. He did notice that the 2-hour line in front of him was mostly Mexicans. He too is a die-hard anti-illegals guy, and for the hell of it, bought an INS t-shirt and went back a few days later. The room was empty in 20 minutes.

[allaire]

He too is a die-hard anti-illegals guy, and for the hell of it, bought an INS t-shirt and went back a few days later. The room was empty in 20 minutes.

Funniest thing I have heard in a while.

I am a security guard at a meat processing and packing plant; you would be surprised how many people that work there that don't speak a word of English.  I have no problem with legal immigration just a couple of things I would like to see.

1. Learn English, if you have kids teach it to them so they don't have to go to ESL classes.
2. Adapt to this country; don't expect the country to adapt to you.
3. Don't force your personal beliefs on others that don't care about or want to know about them.

[Dago]

lol... cmon PX.... let's not let fact get in the way of a little immigrant bashing now.

Who cares if they actually did the study and proved that undocumented immigrants actually contributed at +424.7 million to the state of Texas' economy, even after figuring in all the costs of healthcare expenditures, education, and incarcerating the bad apples....

 95% percent of posters here would still shoot on sight, as reason and critical thinking has no place behind the trigger of a gun.  

So, moray is okay with illegal acts as long as it contributes to the economy?   So, following his line of thinking, if a person decided to open a "heroin, crack and meth stand", and the results of that ended up contributing to the financial bottom line in a positive way of the local rehab centers, and added to the tax base, then the drug stand would be okay?

Yeah, ignore the laws of our nation if it contributes to the economy.  Great idea.   

[Iron_Cross]

True story: I have a friend in California, flies 747-400s for Atlas Air Cargo. He had to take his mother in to the Emergency Room after she had a heart attack. There was a 2-hour wait. Fortunately she was okay, and recovered. He did notice that the 2-hour line in front of him was mostly Mexicans. He too is a die-hard anti-illegals guy, and for the hell of it, bought an INS t-shirt and went back a few days later. The room was empty in 20 minutes.

I work in the health care field, and in border areas this is rampant.  Most of the time it is pregnant women, starting labor and crossing the border to give birth in the good 'ol US of A.  See any child born in the US is automatically a citizen, and entitled to all the free handouts that the government gives to indigent citizens.  I've heard of incidents where the company providing security guards for a hospital had to change their uniform, because their uniform looked too much like the INS uniform.  Since it was a for profit hospital, they caved, to get more profit "patients" in.

It is poo poo, like this, that lets illegal immigrants think they can get a free pass, and we don't do anything to dissuade them of that notion, other than if you get caught we give you a pat on the head and send you back to the start, to try again tomorrow.

For the "Carebears" out there, I do understand that almost all of them[illegal immigrants] are trying for a better life, but dangit do it the legal way and I won't have a problem with anyone trying to carve out a piece of the "American Dream".

[Shuffler]

lol... cmon PX.... let's not let fact get in the way of a little immigrant bashing now.

Who cares if they actually did the study and proved that undocumented immigrants actually contributed at +424.7 million to the state of Texas' economy, even after figuring in all the costs of healthcare expenditures, education, and incarcerating the bad apples....

 95% percent of posters here would still shoot on sight, as reason and critical thinking has no place behind the trigger of a gun.  

This thread is not about immigrants..... it is about illegal aliens crossing our borders. Try not to get them mixed up. Immigrants come here legally. Every study I have read says otherwise. They are an expensive detriment to our society.

As for your last line.... here in America we have the right to protect our property. Where ever your from I guess you can't own anything as most anyone else can take it away.

[trigger2]

this is so dumb, im tellin ya, build a 20 foot wall, a 400 foot long mine field, and then another 50 feet of barbed wire on the border, and put ted nugent out there with a bow and arrow


-BigBOBCH

Wouldn't even need that... get 4 people out there...

2 sniper teams...


I think this case is complete bull. You have the right to protect property, if it goes through, appeal it to no end. Imo illegal means illegal. Government won't take care of it? Citizens time. Especially if it's going on on your turf.

For the "Carebears" out there, I do understand that almost all of them[illegal immigrants] are trying for a better life, but dangit do it the legal way and I won't have a problem with anyone trying to carve out a piece of the "American Dream".

I agree with this 100%. My boss (security manager) was a Mexican immigrant. And you would swear that he had lived here for all his life. He had no accent what-so-ever, and guess what, this guy was a die-hard anti-illegal saying that if he could do it, anyone could.

But why would you want to take your time to do anything?

[FireDrgn]

Moray37 you really think that posters on here would murder someone for tresspassing......those of us that live on the border dont even shoot these people.  Your full of it.

There suing for 32 million....Whats this world coming too.... I think ill depatriate and come over illegally then sue cause i got my feelings hurt when some one stopped me from tresspassing.