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Offline Shifty

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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2009, 06:17:54 PM »
Shifty, His name is John O'berto. He flew everything from dive bombers,avengers,corsairs,hellcats even a tiger before wars end.Some of the  stories i have heard are just amazing , I can talk to him for hours lol, his family thinks its funny.

It's really neat to get to talk to those guys. There was an old P-38 pilot that lived here in Sulphur Springs I got to have lunch with
back in the late 90s. I wish I could remember his name now. I also met a  WWII Luftwaffe pilot namedGunther Ludwig when I was staioned in Valdosta GA in the early 90s.
Those guys are so cool to talk to, too bad we're them so fast.

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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2009, 01:53:53 PM »
Yes, I know (I even have the RGB codes to match the actual FS numbers for skinning purposes, and also used them on the VMF-251 squad site :p ). But the Intermediate Blue and Insignia White were non-specular as well.

I think the primitive technology of color film and photography available during WWII is distorting the non-spec sea blue in the period photo, which is ALSO why most modern aircraft painted to "match" use a much "bluer" dark blue in their tricolor markings.

The newer photos look like more of an insignia blue.


 Most rebuilt WW2 aircraft are painted rather incorrectly. They tend to be painted glossy for cleaning purposes but at least they should get the colors right. I did see a F4U " Marine's dream" that had a spot on match for paint and finish. It was awesome. I believe that the zero at Chino museum finally got a correct paint job. Heck our own A6M2's gray paint scheme is incorrect. The actual color is a blue gray color. I had a piece of Zero fabric from the control surfaces and it matches almost exactly to model masters model paint for the A6M2.

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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2009, 02:23:54 PM »
The only restored "Marine's Dream" I've ever seen photos of is HORRIBLY incorrect. The real Marine's Dream was an F4U-1 painted blue-gray over light-gray, with MoDex number White 576. The girl on the side of the cowl was wearing a white skirt and bikini top.

The "restored" version is an F4U-1D in tricolor. She was painted up using Ken Walsh's White 13 (which was ALSO an F4U-1 in blue-gray over light-gray, and he later flew an F4U-4 as White 13 in overall semi-gloss sea blue). Walsh's bird NEVER flew with the "Marine's Dream" nose art (she was primarily flown by Olander). Additionally, the nose art ITSELF is wrong (girl was in a blue skirt with red top and the text style and color as well).
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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2009, 04:47:25 PM »
The only restored "Marine's Dream" I've ever seen photos of is HORRIBLY incorrect. The real Marine's Dream was an F4U-1 painted blue-gray over light-gray, with MoDex number White 576. The girl on the side of the cowl was wearing a white skirt and bikini top.

The "restored" version is an F4U-1D in tricolor. She was painted up using Ken Walsh's White 13 (which was ALSO an F4U-1 in blue-gray over light-gray, and he later flew an F4U-4 as White 13 in overall semi-gloss sea blue). Walsh's bird NEVER flew with the "Marine's Dream" nose art (she was primarily flown by Olander). Additionally, the nose art ITSELF is wrong (girl was in a blue skirt with red top and the text style and color as well).


 I saw it both at Chino and at the reno air races and whether it was done as the original Marine's Dream was I don't know but the paint color and scheme was spot on as all the stenciling was. There was nothing missing from that plane. Now we may be speaking about two different aircraft.

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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2009, 05:33:06 PM »
Was this the one you saw?



Only restored Corsair I know of using that artwork.
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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2009, 10:46:58 AM »
Was this the one you saw?

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Only restored Corsair I know of using that artwork.

 No... That example is terrable. The guy bought it from the Chino Fighter Rebuilders. He also owns Glacier Girl and Rare Bear. The F4U I'm talking about is perfect.

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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2009, 12:49:16 PM »
Birdcage?

And if he painted it as blue-gray over light-gray, did he do it with a high demarcation line (above the wing)? If he did that's wrong, as Marine's Dream actually had a very heavy, light-colored smoke stain along the port side above the wing that blends into the light gray underside.
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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2009, 07:48:34 PM »
Birdcage?

Are there any flying examples of a birdcage corsair?
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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2009, 12:04:58 PM »
Are there any flying examples of a birdcage corsair?


not that I know of