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Offline Shifty

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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2009, 08:48:59 AM »
I love the Cavanaugh Museum of Flight. Years ago when I was stationed in Tucson the Pima Air Museum was just a few miles from the base.
That was another fantastic place to visit.
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2009, 09:27:09 AM »
I got a question for ya Shifty....
 The plane with the black wing in the foreground.At first glance seeing the black wing I thought it was a P61.Then I noticed the early star on the wing.I thought maybe it was a PBY but it looks as though the wheel well is in the wing.If I recall correctly the PBY tucked its wheels in the fuselauge.So what is it?<G>


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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2009, 09:40:12 AM »
My guess would have been a B-24, but looks like it's only a twin-engine aircraft.
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2009, 09:44:46 AM »
After looking at it again it wouldnt be a p61 because the engine was part of the tail boom which now I can see is not the case.Seeing black paint automaticly put p61 into my head.I think your rite Saxman about it being twin engine because you can see the gear well rite there.Hmmmmmmmmmmmm <G> I guess we will have to wait until Shifty stops back in to enlighten us.


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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2009, 10:05:50 AM »
It is a B-24 "Ol-927", thought the same but the gear is on the outside of the inside engines.
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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 10:06:53 AM »
Yes it is a B-24

A couple of more I took that day. Sorry i was on a Navy bird hunt only.  :D

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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2009, 11:03:32 AM »
Quote from: whiteman on February 12, 2009, 01:53:54 PM
Just wondering if Tri-Color planes flew late into the war? All the pics I've seen of late war F6F's are the solid blue, but I was looking at this photo and looks like 41 is a tri-color. I'd say my eyes are tricking but that plane is clear as day white on bottom. Did they have two-tone or is this a Tri-Color.

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 The 41 plane is an F6F-3. The one in the fore ground is a 5 model. I would imagine that the 3 model was an older plane within the squad.
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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2009, 11:26:53 AM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on February 12, 2009, 04:38:59 PM
I've seen photos of Hellcats with the NS blue-gray/NS light gray camouflage scheme and I do recall seeing a picture of Flatley's "White 00" with a tri-color scheme but I think that was a -3 variant and not sure if he flew "White 00" with that scheme beyong '43.

Here's a picture of another -3 variant with the tri-color scheme but I don't know what year this was taken but looks like it may be a restored Hellcat

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I don't think that is a restoration.  I've seen the picture in a Hellcat book, and it still has the solid, or "hard" tail wheel on, which is almost always replaced to a pneumatic tail wheel in civilian birds.
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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2009, 12:03:33 PM »
I wish I could say for sure. However the paint job just doesn't look authentic to me. I still maintain it's a restored F6F-5.
Especially considering the F6F-5 canopy and rear window, plus no late model F6F-3 should be wearing those national markings.
Also that aircraft is suspiciously similar to this one. In fact I think they're the same bird. Match the UHF or VHF Antenna on the spine as well as the exact Cammo pattern.





Compare that to a vintage F6F-3 photo from WWII in the same markings.






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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2009, 12:33:56 PM »
Also look at the glossy finish on the top photo. Tricolor birds were all non-specular.
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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2009, 12:40:33 PM »
Quote from: Saxman on February 13, 2009, 12:33:56 PM
Also look at the glossy finish on the top photo. Tricolor birds were all non-specular.

 The 3 color scheme was non specular sea blue which was more of a deep blueish green, intermediate blue and white undersides.
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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2009, 01:17:34 PM »
Yes, I know (I even have the RGB codes to match the actual FS numbers for skinning purposes, and also used them on the VMF-251 squad site :p ). But the Intermediate Blue and Insignia White were non-specular as well.

I think the primitive technology of color film and photography available during WWII is distorting the non-spec sea blue in the period photo, which is ALSO why most modern aircraft painted to "match" use a much "bluer" dark blue in their tricolor markings.

The newer photos look like more of an insignia blue.
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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2009, 02:13:27 PM »
I never realized the gear on the 24 was positioned there.Thanks for posting more pictures Shifty! :aok


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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2009, 02:51:43 PM »
NP Pipz, I never did either. As a matter of fact I didn't even notice it when I've been to the museum.
I guess I'm just not a bomber guy. :D
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Re: F6F Experts
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2009, 05:44:22 PM »
Shifty, His name is John O'berto. He flew everything from dive bombers,avengers,corsairs,hellcats even a tiger before wars end.Some of the  stories i have heard are just amazing , I can talk to him for hours lol, his family thinks its funny.
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