Author Topic: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?  (Read 2993 times)

Offline Die Hard

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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 05:43:15 PM »
That's a rather bold claim Krusty. Got something to back it up with?
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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2009, 06:39:29 PM »
That's a rather bold claim Krusty. Got something to back it up with?

There is the whole nuclear-powered bomber thing. No, not a bomber carrying nuclear bombs, a Soviet buff supposedly powered by a nuclear reactor.

The Soviet Union went the way of bluff and bravado a lot, the U.S.A. seemed to go the opposite way, crazy lengths were/are used to hide certain things. "What you saw was just a weather balloon.". "Mr. Hughes is trying to vacuum manganese nodules off the seafloor. Trying to raise a sunken Russian sub? No way!" etc and so forth.
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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2009, 06:54:55 PM »
Do you mean this?    :)             

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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2009, 09:27:54 PM »
You can get  "State Secret" information here (32Mb pdf, 114 pages)
http://rapidshare.com/files/197153284/Fighters_VVS_RKKA_1930-45.pdf.html


If someone has this could you mail it to me?  Rapidshare says it has been downloaded too many times. 
//c coad  c coad run  run coad run
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)+(___<<___<<___<<___)-___);__+=___)putchar((_[__
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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2009, 02:51:57 AM »
If someone has this could you mail it to me?  Rapidshare says it has been downloaded too many times. 

I uploaded it to another host (don't know about the download limits there)
http://www.wuala.com/-aper-/AH/Fighters_VVS_RKKA_1930-45.pdf

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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 02:57:15 AM »
Same with combat claims Krusty....perhaps.
I fear though that what you stated will be a little bit common with all the powers of WW2.

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//c coad  c coad run  run coad run
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,___=1;for(__=___>>___;__<((___<<___<<___<<___<<___
)+(___<<___<<___<<___)-___);__+=___)putchar((_[__
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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2009, 03:04:19 PM »
I uploaded it to another host (don't know about the download limits there)
http://www.wuala.com/-aper-/AH/Fighters_VVS_RKKA_1930-45.pdf

Thanks!  Got it.  Pity we lokely won't ever see some of the early war stuff in there; those would be fun rides!
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,___=1;for(__=___>>___;__<((___<<___<<___<<___<<___
)+(___<<___<<___<<___)-___);__+=___)putchar((_[__
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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2009, 05:39:00 PM »
Tilt mistyped the La-5 link,

Try this:

http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/vvs/La-5_manual.zip

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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2009, 10:29:32 PM »
Same with combat claims Krusty....perhaps.
I fear though that what you stated will be a little bit common with all the powers of WW2.



Russian and Soviet claims before, during, and after WW2 (from before the GPW and on into Korea) have been shown in most cases to be grossly over-claimed across-the-board, far more than any other country, Eastern or Western.

It's not a matter of "all countries did it" -- it's a matter of they did it more so than any other country because the entire system they had was corrupted from the top down to get results and make Stalin happy.

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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2009, 11:58:01 PM »
Some of that stuff is still a state secret in Russia.

So, if America went to war with Russia, there'd be La dweebs HO'ing all our expensive fighters wouldn't there?

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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2009, 02:21:47 AM »
Thanks!  Got it.  Pity we lokely won't ever see some of the early war stuff in there; those would be fun rides!

I would think it would be logical to have an I-16 and/or I-153 to go along with the Brewster 239s.


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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2009, 04:37:02 AM »
Please treat Krusty's blanket condemnation of Russian data due to propaganda with a "pinch of salt".

It is clear that claims re superiority of their Airforce to maintain moral were rampant as were any such claims by any airforces.

Where we have signed VVS Tsagi reports (see some of my links above) which show aircraft tests performed straight of the production line (Not specially prepared aircraft for such a test as in prototype testing) we can see the true figures. Some of these reports refer to the malfunctioning of components and offer the reverse of any glorification of the machine.

There was a a very strong motivation to give a full and proper internal assessment. During the initial comparison of Yak, LaGG and Mig prototypes an official falsified a report regarding one of the aircraft (i have not checked my files for the exact details but if challeneged will do so). When this was discovered Stalin had him executed. To falsify such a report was to risk your life!
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Re: LaGG /La/Yak Real life performance data?
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2009, 05:49:34 AM »
Besides, Sun Tzu states in the <Art of War>, "Know yourself and know your enemy, and one will never be imperiled in any battle".

The lies and falsifications are prepared for people outside the warmachine to read. They may try fool others, maybe even their superiors, but a military waging war never lies to itself. Even as Hitler's mental state soared towards Andromeda, his military specialists knew exactly what their odds were, and what was happening to them. There is always a disparity in perception between the at-the-scene specialists, and the bureaucrats above them. Nothing was different with the Soviets, nor any other WW2 faction as for that matter. And where the experts are, there is always data to be recovered. Some may hold the entire deal, others may hold crucial bits and pieces to add up, but there is always a starting point.

Therefore, belittling Soviet airpower or aircraft, like anything else, must also start from those pieces of truth - not from loose and irresponsible generalizations coming from frivolous impressions and superficial knowledge about a country which one has no real understanding of how its system works, and taken out of context in an ill-mannered way.




In otherwords,

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