P-47N

[Motherland]

Splash 2 G2's. But I dominated the fight in the F.

[MjTalon]

*cough* i don't know what you're talking about.... 


Hehe. F is a bastard in a knife fight. 

[Anaxogoras]

Blitzin and I just dueled the 47N vs the D-11.  No matter the pilot, the N won every fight.

  and thanks for good fights.

[MjTalon]

  good fights G. Just wish they'd lower than 5 ENY on it. 

[skribetm]

it's fat and it's heavy. but i love it. i'm a beginner so mostly i fly it in BnZ.

is there any other way? i can't turn fight vs. a corsair or a 51D even.
a rolling scissors or horizontal knife fight is kinda a no-no vs. those planes too.

please tell me what else to do?

[Anaxogoras]

it's fat and it's heavy. but i love it. i'm a beginner so mostly i fly it in BnZ.

is there any other way? i can't turn fight vs. a corsair or a 51D even.
a rolling scissors or horizontal knife fight is kinda a no-no vs. those planes too.

please tell me what else to do?

Yes, I do recommend caution against the F4U in the 47, but certainly not against the average 51D.  The P-47N eats Mustangs for an appetizer.

[skribetm]

Yes, I do recommend caution against the F4U in the 47, but certainly not against the average 51D.  The P-47N eats Mustangs for an appetizer.

i tore an f4u-1 up when we were dogfighting up at 20k, i had alt advantage though. he was behind me climbing up my six. i made a little left climbing turn, he stalled, then BLAM! hammer down!!! he dropped to earth in a lot of pieces from the 8x50cals.

can you offer a tip how to get rid of a mustang on my six when im below 13,000 ft? should i start praying to jesus that he overshoot?

[bj229r]

Blitzin and I just dueled the 47N vs the D-11.  No matter the pilot, the N won every fight.

  and thanks for good fights.

N can do a lot of nose-up stuff that the jugs jugs fall outta they sky trying to duplicate (for 5 min, anyhow)

[Anaxogoras]

can you offer a tip how to get rid of a mustang on my six when im below 13,000 ft? should i start praying to jesus that he overshoot?

You don't need to pray to Jesus.  You can deal with a P-51D on your 6 with mere tactics and throttle work.

If you have a little separation, say around 600-1000 yards, decrease throttle, dump flaps and execute a nose-low turn with full rudder.  As soon as you see him losing angles bring the flaps up, engage WEP, and roll your lift vector in the bandit's direction.

If he's right on your butt, at <600 yards, use the 47N's superior roll rate and turn radius to out-scissor the 51D.  Don't make your defensive scissors completely flat; use 3 dimensions.  This takes timing and practice, but once you get the hang of it, it won't seem like a big deal.

P.S. If you don't already have them, rudder pedals will improve your defensive BFM dramatically.

[skribetm]

" .. use the 47N's superior roll rate and turn radius to out-scissor the 51D.  Don't make your defensive scissors completely flat; use 3 dimensions.  This takes timing and practice, but once you get the hang of it, it won't seem like a big deal."

thank you for the tips! will definitely try practicing this 3 dimensional scissor in the MA. i assume i the superior turn radius is with 1 notch of flaps? or do you mean it as part of the scissor maneuver?(and without the use of flaps)?

[Anaxogoras]

Well, your main goal is to force an overshoot, which usually means using flaps, maybe a notch or maybe a lot more.  It depends on the relative energy states of the attacker and defender.

It wouldn't hurt to get help from a trainer on these topics, as I'm barely qualified to be giving advice.

[Tec]

it's fat and it's heavy. but i love it. i'm a beginner so mostly i fly it in BnZ.

is there any other way? i can't turn fight vs. a corsair or a 51D even.
a rolling scissors or horizontal knife fight is kinda a no-no vs. those planes too.

please tell me what else to do?

The Jug is an amazing plane and one of the most underrated as far as dogfighting prowess is concerned.  Most people are used to seeing them as poorly flown bomb trucks.  Learn to use that misconception and the high speed maneuvering flaps to your advantage.  I have found in many situations when merging at speeds in 350-375mph range you can have em in the tower before they know what hits them.  It actually fights pretty well flaps out and slow, but the best bet is to try and put them away in the first 3 or 4 moves.  If you want I can try and dig up some films for you.

[skribetm]

tec,

i really am interested in defensive maneuvers where a F4U or a 51B/D is behind the 47N. at deck alt vs. the F4U, i burn as much wep as i can to extend(run away, really lol). when wep runs out and F4U is still on my 6, i know im going to be in for a fight since it will eventually catch up to me if i dont have any more wep. the 51D i can sort of fight off with a better chance if it catches up with me. but i have a hard time with F4U's mostly.

i remember once chappy was running away in a 47 and i caught up with him(me in a corsair) needless to say i got spanked in 3 moves i think.

[BnZs]

Unfortunately, one of the Jug's strong points, the scissors, is the Corsairs Even Stronger Point, and there aren't as many terrible F4U sticks as terrible P-51 sticks.

tec,

i really am interested in defensive maneuvers where a F4U or a 51B/D is behind the 47N. at deck alt vs. the F4U, i burn as much wep as i can to extend(run away, really lol). when wep runs out and F4U is still on my 6, i know im going to be in for a fight since it will eventually catch up to me if i dont have any more wep. the 51D i can sort of fight off with a better chance if it catches up with me. but i have a hard time with F4U's mostly.

i remember once chappy was running away in a 47 and i caught up with him(me in a corsair) needless to say i got spanked in 3 moves i think.

[BaldEagl]

i tore an f4u-1 up when we were dogfighting up at 20k, i had alt advantage though. he was behind me climbing up my six. i made a little left climbing turn, he stalled, then BLAM! hammer down!!! he dropped to earth in a lot of pieces from the 8x50cals.

can you offer a tip how to get rid of a mustang on my six when im below 13,000 ft? should i start praying to jesus that he overshoot?

First of all at 20K you should eat F4U's for lunch.  Even a short nose low turn will give you enough speed to out zoom climb him.  These alts really work to the N's advantage.

How to get rid of a P-51 on your six from 13K?  Really?  Drop the nose.  There's no way anything will stay with you.  I dove through 10-15 cons to kill a goon on the deck in the middle of them for my last kill in the D11 that night before I had to bug out for ammo.  I wasn't the least bit worried that one of them would get guns on me even though they were all turning for me, some from an alt advantage.  The N does that even better.