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Offline Sincraft

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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2009, 10:04:45 PM »
In my profile, I use the ~ key to recenter the TIR which effectively "puts you back in center of cockpit looking directly front".  I use this key because it's easy to get to with the thumb of my thottle-hand.  I move around a lot too, while playing, and re-center my TIR at least once every couple of minutes unless in the heat of battle and I'm rocking and swaying when T&B'ing.

As long as your head is actually looking straight when you center the TIR, you're fine.  Because you are telling the TIR what "looking forward" should look like to the reciever - if your head is pointed a little left when you center the TIR, it thinks that is what center is.  Then if you move your head to the right, which to you, is "centered", the TIR thinks you're looking right.

Also, the POV hat buttons still work, so I hold the "look forward" hat button to semi-lock the TIR in forward view.  I can still move my head around, but it the TIR input has now been effectively "dulled down" for those times when I need more precision for fine-tuning my aim.  Works especially well when zoomed in for a long-range shot.

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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2009, 05:50:25 AM »
I actually have more trouble with the cockpit bars with trackIR than I did with the hat views.  I'd just move the view to the clearest possible and save it, it seems with trackIR I am always staring right at a bar.

Dumb question: What TIR you have? Sounds a bit like an older one without 6DOF...
Being easily able to look around the 109's cockpit bars is what made TIR most valuable to me.

EDIT: I just made a short film (2mins) , attacking offline drones in a 109G-14. You can see my head constantly moving all around, and you may also note I don't use any hat/key views even when shooting.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mz4ymxzlmgx

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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2009, 09:48:51 AM »
I believe Urchin is referring to the same problem I have with it requiring too much movement for a game that I normally feel is relaxing but worse the head movement is like I said disproportionate with the amount of view change so you cant intuitively know in which quadrant you are actually looking. That typically leads to a small degree of disorientation which results in your moving your aircraft in a direction contrary to your intentions. In FSX for instance I dont have a problem like this because I am not turning with a manuvering opponent but turning relative to the ground or in the case of aerobatics I have a procedure outlined and simply proceed through it. While making adjustments is possible to me it feels like cross-wiring and I would rather use TIR for bandit scanning and otherwise use the coolie hat.
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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2009, 03:22:20 PM »
Dumb question: What TIR you have? Sounds a bit like an older one without 6DOF...
Being easily able to look around the 109's cockpit bars is what made TIR most valuable to me.

EDIT: I just made a short film (2mins) , attacking offline drones in a 109G-14. You can see my head constantly moving all around, and you may also note I don't use any hat/key views even when shooting.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mz4ymxzlmgx



I can see where your SA is improved, there is no way you can follow a boggy that smoothly with the hat/keys or at least I can't and it looks as if it eliminates the constant multi tasking with the hats to get the views where you need them.
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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2009, 03:47:34 PM »
I believe Urchin is referring to the same problem I have with it requiring too much movement for a game that I normally feel is relaxing but worse the head movement is like I said disproportionate with the amount of view change so you cant intuitively know in which quadrant you are actually looking. That typically leads to a small degree of disorientation which results in your moving your aircraft in a direction contrary to your intentions. In FSX for instance I dont have a problem like this because I am not turning with a manuvering opponent but turning relative to the ground or in the case of aerobatics I have a procedure outlined and simply proceed through it. While making adjustments is possible to me it feels like cross-wiring and I would rather use TIR for bandit scanning and otherwise use the coolie hat.
Out of curiosity, how big is your monitor and (if you don't mind me asking) what is your age?

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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2009, 03:52:26 PM »
Dumb question: What TIR you have? Sounds a bit like an older one without 6DOF...
Being easily able to look around the 109's cockpit bars is what made TIR most valuable to me.

EDIT: I just made a short film (2mins) , attacking offline drones in a 109G-14. You can see my head constantly moving all around, and you may also note I don't use any hat/key views even when shooting.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mz4ymxzlmgx



If you wouldn't mind posting your trackIR settings (I think there is a file or something) I'd appreciate it. 

I have the 6DOF, but I turned off the roll axis because I didn't like using it.  I haven't really given it another try.  I can track drones ok, I have trouble with keeping track of a manuevering opponent when both of us are going - for instance in a rolling scissors or something along those lines.  It is like the 3d view in my head is now off from "reality" when I use TIR.  I did use the hat views for 6 years before I ever tried TIR though, and I don't really put much time in nowadays to practice, so it may just be a practice issue.

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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2009, 03:54:38 PM »
Out of curiosity, how big is your monitor and (if you don't mind me asking) what is your age?

I'm 31, with a 22" monitor. 

To put it in perspective... I started playing AH at age 23 (holy @#$@  lol).

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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2009, 04:08:26 PM »
My first idea was that perhaps on a smaller monitor the TrackIR loses some of it's effect and is difficult to use. As I have a 22" monitor as well that was obviously wrong.


My second hypothesis is that it may be easier for someone who is younger to use TrackIR more intuitively (in my own case, as soon as I got all of the settings right, before I even scaled everything how I now like it, I immediately caught on to TrackIR and found it extremely natural- I'm 15).
I'd imagine that for someone who has been exposed to virtual 3D environments from an earlier age, it may be easier to detach yourself not only from your surroundings but from your own physical movements and the expected result of those, becoming more immersed in the '3D' environment, and easier to take to equipment like TIR.


However with your age I think my second idea may be bunk as well :D


It's probably just a personal thing with no real cause.

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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2009, 04:55:32 PM »
My second hypothesis is that it may be easier for someone who is younger to use TrackIR more intuitively (in my own case, as soon as I got all of the settings right, before I even scaled everything how I now like it, I immediately caught on to TrackIR and found it extremely natural- I'm 15).
I'd imagine that for someone who has been exposed to virtual 3D environments from an earlier age, it may be easier to detach yourself not only from your surroundings but from your own physical movements and the expected result of those, becoming more immersed in the '3D' environment, and easier to take to equipment like TIR.


However with your age I think my second idea may be bunk as well :D


It's probably just a personal thing with no real cause.

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Motherland you are only 15?????????????????

wow to have read your postings in other threads i never would have guessed it, you are very well spoken generally more respectful than others and intelligent>

if there are more like you at your age out there in the world and you are not just some kind of mutant that will be hunted down and destroyed by the moronic manikin masses that seem to be the prodominant strain of todays youth, well then maybe there is a hope for tomorrow!

<SALUTE> to you for being the person you are! and good luck in all of your endeavors through life!

but i do believe that your second hypo does hold more water than you think. beginning in your mid twenties your body starts its inevitable decline. so being in his thirties his eyes and the muscles in his neck and upper back have already begun to stiffen and decline. now he is tasking them in new ways, they will take time to rebuild the muscles and the mental responses to use them in a coordinated manner to gain the effects sought. it will take practice, like any other new skill for him to become really proficient with it.

he has been playing a long time, but in a 2d environment. he has grown into the pattern of looking at things in one manner and now must relearn them in another. it will take time for him to first forget what he thinks he knows and then to relearn everything from a new perspective. for younger people, such as a teenager this is a faster and more proficient transition, than it is for someone who is older and more set in their ways. the biggest hurdle will be the mental one, once that one can be retrained the physical transition is nominal.

dont be so quick to cast aside your hypo's, your a more intelligent person than i think you are willing to give yourself credit for. dont sell yourself short because you are humbled by your age in the eyes of others.

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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2009, 05:20:41 PM »
I'm 44 and have only been playing AH2 since last March - only had TIR since Nov.   :P

What's that say about your "old guy" hypothesis?   :D




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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2009, 06:14:29 PM »
My second hypothesis is that it may be easier for someone who is younger to use TrackIR more intuitively (in my own case, as soon as I got all of the settings right, before I even scaled everything how I now like it, I immediately caught on to TrackIR and found it extremely natural- I'm 15).
I'd imagine that for someone who has been exposed to virtual 3D environments from an earlier age, it may be easier to detach yourself not only from your surroundings but from your own physical movements and the expected result of those, becoming more immersed in the '3D' environment, and easier to take to equipment like TIR.

The degree with which people can immerse in environments is extremely diverse. I know people who play games/sims a lot but cannot handle true 3D immersion (which trackir is not btw!), they get nauseous, motion sickness etc (including young tweaker gamer types).

p.s. 3D environments in games have been around for longer than you think, I was playing off the shelf 3D games on an off the shelf VR headset before you were even born ;)

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« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2009, 06:21:30 PM »
Thanks Flot :D


p.s. 3D environments in games have been around for longer than you think, I was playing off the shelf 3D games on an off the shelf VR headset before you were even born ;)
I know they've been around for a while, which is why I started to doubt my theory when Urchin said he was only 31. If he said the was 40 or 50, growing up in the 60's or 70's, on the other hand, I would have thought more of it- but ImADot doesn't have any problem with it, and is older, leading me to believe it's just a personal thing completely independent of age.

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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2009, 06:23:20 PM »
I'm 44 and have only been playing AH2 since last March - only had TIR since Nov.   :P

What's that say about your "old guy" hypothesis?   :D




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it says that you had not played long enough to develop severe difficulties making the transition.
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Re: TrackIR
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2009, 06:37:06 PM »
Yeah it's more of a controller/input issue, like going from a twisty stick to pedals.

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« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2009, 06:59:34 PM »
Yeah it's more of a controller/input issue, like going from a twisty stick to pedals.

absolutely!
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