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Offline SlipKnt

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Re: Disable F3 view
« Reply #135 on: October 13, 2009, 10:02:57 PM »
4 engines- keep it, but anything 2 engine or single, take it away.  Being abused to the point of arcadey lameness.

I like the idea.  Tired of trying to sneak troops into a base/town and getting spotted by an IL2 using the F3 or F5 then F8 pan option to locate me. 

Formations or 4 engines would work!

My vote is yes!

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Offline AKP

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Re: Disable F3 view
« Reply #136 on: October 13, 2009, 10:51:32 PM »
I am a B25H "frequent flyer"... and here is how I use the F3, and my thoughts on its use in general.

I use F3 to get a look around my plane while flying.  To spot aircraft around me and to spot vehicles on the ground.  I have NEVER used F3 when on a bomb run, or when firing any of the guns, whether it be the forward MG's and cannon, or the turrets.  I dont even see how anyone can aim that way.  I am sure there is a way... and perhaps it is easier, but I have never tried it, nor do I care to.  And didnt know you could use F5 + F8 in the air  :huh  Hehe... learn something new every day!

Anyway, if I am on an attack run, or engaging in air to air combat, I am always in F1 mode.  Call me crazy, but those gunsights are there for a reason.

I fully agree that no guns should be able to be fired, or ordinance dropped from the F3 view.  But restricting the F3 to "4 engine bombers" as opposed to "2 engine" doesnt make sense to me.  There is no way to fly the B26, B25, the Boston, or the A20 in F1 and be able to tell what is around you the way a fighter can.

F3 is available to planes with multiple gunner positions to simulate the ability for other crew members to see what is around the aircraft.  Without this capability, the A20, B25, B26, and Boston would become hangar queens, and for no reason.  They are outstanding aircraft.

So... here is my opinion (for what it is worth) on the F3 view and its limitations in the Main Arenas:

1) Can only be used to look around the aircraft
2) Weapons will not fire and ordinance will not drop in F3 View
3) No zoom or ability to alter field of view should be enabled for F3 view.... make it a fixed point of reference.
4) F3 should only be available on aircraft with more than one gunner

Now... I can hear the SBD and IL-2 drivers already screaming about #4.  So... here is what I propose:

Give them the ability to have their "rear views" to be seen from the rear gunners point of view instead of the pilots.  This can be done by allowing them to "zoom in" past the pilots seat into the gunners seat when they are setting up their views.  Then they save the view and they then have the ability to see what is directly behind them (and on their rear quarters) without the wings or the back of the pilots seat being in the way.

Doing this would still give the 2 seat planes a better view than a single seat, but they would not have "multiple sets of simulated eyes" looking around the plane as a bomber with multiple gun positions does.

Anyway... those are my thoughts.

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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: Disable F3 view
« Reply #137 on: October 14, 2009, 04:36:07 AM »
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4) F3 should only be available on aircraft with more than one gunner

Now... I can hear the SBD and IL-2 drivers already screaming about #4.  So... here is what I propose:

Dont bother checking. Most of you can probably tell he only flys the B-25 and never the IL2. And only in midwar. :neener:

Thats what gets me about the entire F3 thing. Its the hypocrisy.

Hey I have an idea. Lets disable F3 in the B-25 cause it has so many gunner positions you can change up to. :D
« Last Edit: October 14, 2009, 04:42:31 AM by Rich46yo »
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Offline RTHolmes

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Re: Disable F3 view
« Reply #138 on: October 14, 2009, 06:56:35 AM »
My thoughts on bombers have been, and remain as follows:

Heavy Bombers: Bomb release from F6 only.
Medium Bombers: Bomb release from F6 or F1.
Attack bombers: Bomb release from F1 only.

I'd add F1 for the heavies too, entire boxes releasing on the mark of the lead bomber was commonplace IRL (and something Ive done plenty of in AH too :))

Lancstuka bombing can be fixed by modelling release angle limits.

No aircraft or vehicles should be allowed to release/fire in F3 mode.

F5 should be disabled for everything, except possibly towers.


Personally I'd enable F3 for any aircraft with a crew rather than just a pilot, including 110s and mossies, although it would be good if the F3 view was restricted to whatever the crew could see (ie no down view for aircraft without a ventral position)
« Last Edit: October 14, 2009, 06:59:01 AM by RTHolmes »
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Re: Disable F3 view
« Reply #139 on: October 14, 2009, 08:32:16 AM »
Dont bother checking. Most of you can probably tell he only flys the B-25 and never the IL2. And only in midwar. :neener:

:neener: Back atcha Rich  :D 

Thats what gets me about the entire F3 thing. Its the hypocrisy.

Yeah... I was kinda thinking the same thing.   :noid

Hey I have an idea. Lets disable F3 in the B-25 cause it has so many gunner positions you can change up to. :D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


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