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Offline sluggish

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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2009, 04:35:49 PM »
Due to the effect of cetrifugal force, do you weigh more at the poles than you do at the equator?

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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2009, 04:56:37 PM »
There really is no hope for this country if the denizens of a computer flying game are this uninformed on this topic.

If you can't figure it out from the limited education you received in government schools, try google.

Or is there absolutely no desire to make an effort to learn if there isn't going to be a test?




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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2009, 04:57:01 PM »
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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2009, 04:59:06 PM »
Due to the effect of cetrifugal force, do you weigh more at the poles than you do at the equator?

No because gravity is constant.. Created by the mass of the earth...
More mass, more gravity... Less mass, Less gravity...

 :rofl funny question tho...

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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2009, 05:01:39 PM »
No because gravity is constant.. Created by the mass of the earth...
More mass, more gravity... Less mass, Less gravity...

 :rofl funny question tho...

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Yes but centrifugal force directly counters gravity.  Remember, the earth spinning at around 1000 mph.

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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2009, 06:00:13 PM »
He may not have worded it correctly, but it's pretty apparent what he's asking.

Ya, English wasn't my best subject  :D . I'm sure pretty much everyone understands what I'm getting at.

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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2009, 06:29:24 PM »
Yes but centrifugal force directly counters gravity.  Remember, the earth spinning at around 1000 mph.

Yeah, but we are moving at the same relative
speed as our environment, including the atmosphere,
so it seems null...

I forgot what escape velocity is, guessing about
17,000mph.. Thats to escape gravity, and going
opposite of earths rotation...

Damn, you are gonna make me dredge up my
memory of highschool physics, arent ya......
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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2009, 06:36:08 PM »

Damn, you are gonna make me dredge up my
memory of highschool physics, arent ya......


do it man i bet you can't


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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2009, 06:53:37 PM »

If you can't figure it out from the limited education you received in government schools, try google.

Or is there absolutely no desire to make an effort to learn if there isn't going to be a test?

i dunno, so far the best method of learning i've found is asking a question...asking google is okay, asking here is a helluva lot more entertaining. and if its that necessary to make them figure it out for themselves, answer the question with a couple other questions.

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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2009, 08:43:17 PM »
If an airplane flew truly straight, in terms of outer space and negating gravity, yes, an airplane would begin to "climb" and eventuallly fly out of the Earth's atmosphere. Of course, this is in an entirely theoretical situation.
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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2009, 10:42:58 PM »
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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2009, 12:03:25 AM »
He may not have worded it correctly, but it's pretty apparent what he's asking.

We probably guessed what he meant but flying constantly at 15k would keep the plane in a steady circle since altitude is measured relative to ground level. Absolutely level flight starting from 15k however is different matter.
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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2009, 04:59:23 AM »
"Escape velocity". 
Just a really weird (and possibly dumb) question that popped into my mind this morning. If an aircraft is flying along at 15,000ft level flight continuesly, will that aircraft eventually start to climb higher in altitude due to the Earth being curved and NOT level? Or, are aircraft attitude indicators designed to keep you flying level according to the curvature of the Earth?


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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2009, 05:21:54 AM »
"Straight" is poorly defined and so the original question (the intention, if I understood it) has no correct answer. It would depend on how you define a straight path and in what frame of reference.

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Due to the effect of cetrifugal force, do you weigh more at the poles than you do at the equator?
If you mean the acceleration you feel toward the center of the earth then yes. However, what you will perceive as "down" direction will not point toward the center, except exactly on the equator and the poles. The ratio between the centrifugal acceleration and gravity is of the order 10^-20, so you are not likely to feel this (punched with my thick finger on the calculator so I might be off).

Here is another funny tidbit. When you are running, you are "lighter" when you run east, then when you run west.

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Okay, so what about this....if two planes were traveling, one directly over the other....the first at 500 feet and the second at 50000 feet.  If both of the planes had to travel from point A to point B staying at the exact orientation throughout.  Both starting over point A and finishing over B at the same time....would the higher one have to travel faster to reach point B at the same time?  Because of the curvature of the earth, wouldn't he have to cover more distance in the same amount of time??  The same thing with a merry-go-round.  The outside seats would go faster because of the same principle....right?
Yes, the arc is longer due to longer radius. However, consider this: the length of the arc is proportional to the radius, being the radius of the earth (~6400 km) plus the altidude (500 ft ~ 0, 50kft ~ 17 km), so the ratio between the distances the planes travel is ~(6400+17)/6400 = 1.003. that is less than 1/3 of a percent. If the lower one flies 10,000 km, the higher one will have to fly about 30 km more. For a big jet this is about as big as its holding pattern. Also, he has to climb 17 km and then decent 17 km. That is already more than the difference due to the curvature.

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Re: Flying level above a curved earth
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2009, 05:49:03 AM »
Due to the effect of cetrifugal force, do you weigh more at the poles than you do at the equator?

yes, about 0.1% more iirc at sea level :aok


edit: I should explain - the earth is bulged around the equator due to its rotation (ie centripetal accel) so at the poles you are closer to the the earth's centre of mass, therefore gravitational force on an object is stronger at the poles than the equator. :)
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