Why is the Ki-84 the only respected Japanese fighter?

[FiLtH]

  I like the ki61 alot, probably 4th favorite fighter in game for me. I just dont seem to fly it much though. The A6m says I cant turn, the Niki says I cant aim. The Ki84 is a great plane though. Good balance I think. The nice thing about the A6ms is if you set it on fire and you ran out of bullets, he will still be there for you to get the kill when you come back from re-arm.

[waystin2]

The KI-84 also has two other advantages that make it a great bird.  It accelerates very quickly, and it's wep recharge is unbelievable. 

[Masherbrum]

DA?   

It won't matter, his quote echoes my sentiments.

[Anaxogoras]

As far as high speed manuevering goes you need to disable combat trim.  Similar to the P38, the Ki84's combat trim will fight you at higher speeds.  If your coming around in a low yo yo with some real juice but feel that no matter how hard you pull you aren't getting close to riding the black out you should just try giving it a bit of elevator trim.  That will pull you right into your maximum turn.

Don't assume I don't know to disable combat trim in a dive.  Even with manual trim, Ki-84 elevator authority is inferior to the Ki-61 and N1K in a high-speed dive.  This is especially true if you need to pitch down after you've trimmed for the ability to pitch up, and you're at 400mph+.

As for ballistics...
Ho-105:  ~750m/s
HispanoII: ~880m/s
.50Cal Browning: ~887m/s

If you mostly fly Anglo-American aircraft you'll need to adjust for deflection shots.

[Boozeman]

The KI-84 also has two other advantages that make it a great bird.  It accelerates very quickly, and it's wep recharge is unbelievable. 

But WEP only lasts for 90 seconds. So the recharge should better be rapid. 

But to add to the topic, the 84 never really showed up on my radar, neither as opponent nor as plane of choice.
I have more respect for the Ki-61 in both regards. 

[BaldEagl]

DA?   

Sure.  Shout at me if you see me online but I haven't been flying much lately.

[BiPoLaR]

it kinda looks like a stoned turtle.
that might have something to do with it *shrug* 

[Karnak]

Bongaroo,

The Japanese built about 500 of the quad 20mm Ki-84s.  Hopefully it will show up at some point.

But WEP only lasts for 90 seconds. So the recharge should better be rapid. 

Yes, it would be 180 seconds if it followed the standard recharge rate.  It is actually 45 seconds though.

[CAP1]

Most of the time they are piloted well so I do my best not to engage them.

that's all the more reason to engage them.

[TonyJoey]

Co-alt Ki84's scare me ususally, because they climb like rockets, and can turn like it too, when slow that is. A nicely flown 61 with alt also scares me, can turn like an fm2 and the cannons are nice.

[grizz441]

Reading the BBS today something struck me.  It seems to me that the only Japanese fighter that is respected here is the Ki-84.  Fans of the European theater will often fly it as well. The N1K2-J is savaged as an aircraft for unskilled newbies.  The Ki-61 isn't reviled, but gets put into the category of aircraft one uses if they want to show off, the category with things like the C.202 and P-40E.  The A6Ms are both dismissed due to their slow speeds and lack of any protection.

But the Ki-84 is actually generally liked.  Why is it treated differently?

I'd say the most respected Japanese fighter is the Ki61.  Lethal if flown well by the likes of somebody like Kermit.  The ki84 is generally liked but I still think it's an Ezmode plane.  The only thing it can't do is dive, everything else it does it excels at.

[Sincraft]

Since I fly Spits a lot I'd say the Ki-84 is generally pretty easy to beat.  It's the Ki-61 I hesitate against.

Funny, as a KI pilot - I usually don't fear Spits.  Took a break from them for a bit to try other things for awhile.  But as long as they don't try to 3v1 me I feel pretty confident in the 1v1...one wrong move though and I'm done.  Cant say that for the spit pilots, their whole defense is to just wiggle a heck load and make bad floating 'tron plane' turns then BAM they are on your six.

Great defense, but definitely incorrectly modeled planes.  I won't fly them for this very reason. 

I'm an average stick, when I started playing I had 4 kills to every death in spits...nuff said.

[Plawranc]

The Ki84 is a brutal fighter plane, 

I've seen Kazaa and wilbuz take on many guys at once and make it look very simple.  It has the characteristics of a spit16 and climbs just as well,  It is durable if you don't get hit in the tail section but the same can be said for other planes,  with the fast firing 20mm the guns are pretty lethal from close range.

drain the wing tanks and she rolls well too.

Most people fear the spitties and lala's,  the bnzers go straight for the runstangs and 190's  yet this thing is capable of beating them all.

Infact It should be perked 

SPIITYS DESERVE TO BE FEARED. Besides KIs Arent much of a problem unless your in a 9 or 8 because the climb rate is its advantage and if you dive ...well you know the rest

[bongaroo]

SPIITYS DESERVE TO BE FEARED. Besides KIs Arent much of a problem unless your in a 9 or 8 because the climb rate is its advantage and if you dive ...well you know the rest

Perhaps you'll join BaldEagl and I for some DA time?

[Oldman731]

SPIITYS DESERVE TO BE FEARED. Besides KIs Arent much of a problem unless your in a 9 or 8 because the climb rate is its advantage and if you dive ...well you know the rest

Heh.

- oldman