P-40D/E

[5PointOh]

So some of you may know that I'm a little bit of a P-40 dweeb.  I go to meetings for it so its ok.  Anyway, I'm looking for some help.  I recently bought a USAAF P-40 pilots manual. In the last couple of pages the manual talks about two things that made me wonder if anyone else had more detailed information about.

Quoted from manual:
1)Six bombs may be carried externally, three below each wing.

I'm curious to what size bomb could be placed underneath the wing of P-40? And when can we get them?

Quoted from manual (Gunnery Equipment,P-40D only)
2) Two .50 caliber fixed machine guns are mounted in each wing panel, and fire clear of the prop arc. THey are charge by placing the control valves in the "ON" position. Should the electric hydraulic pump fail, pressure may be retained by use of the manual hand pump. Structural provisions are made for extrernal attachment of two 20mm cannon, one the bottom surface of each wing.

DOes anyone have any more info on P-40s with 20mm cannons and Hitech or Pyro, can I have a cannoned P-40! hehe

Graciously yours,
Coprhead   

[Enker]

I am going to guess that the bombs were very small...as in 50-100 lbers. I have no idea about cannons in the P-40, but I suspect that the external mounting would have caused some drag, which in turn lowered the top speed.

[theNewB]

Extra firepower for ground CAS missions perhaps?

Haven't stumbled onto a site with more info about those 20's

EDIT: Alright found a few sites that mention the 20s on the D model

The fuselage guns were deleted, and two 0.50-inch machine guns with new hydraulic chargers were installed in each wing. There were additional provisions in the wings for two 20-mm cannon, but these were never actually used.

and the link http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p40_7.html and another http://www.pioneeraero.co.nz/p-40d_version.htm

Not 100% sure but wasn't the D model fighter/bomber version? could explain why 20's would be involved and 6 20lb bombs under each wing

[Shifty]

Basically the same info Newb found. The bombs  on the wings were 20 lbs. 500 lb centerline.

The P-40D introduced a new shorter nose design that was retained by all subsequent P-40s. The 1150 hp V-1710-39 engine had spur gear reduction that raised the thrust line by six inches, giving a completely different nose geometry. The overall length was reduced by six inches, the cross section of the fuselage was reduced, and the undercarriage was shortened. The radiator was increased in size and moved forward. Some 175 pounds of armor were added. The fuselage guns were deleted, and two 0.50-inch machine guns with new hydraulic chargers were installed in each wing. There were additional provisions in the wings for two 20-mm cannon, but these were never actually used. Shackles were added under the belly to accommodate a 51-gallon auxiliary fuel tank or a 500-pound bomb. Wing rack attachment points were provided for six 20-pound bombs. Gross weight of the D model was increased to 8670 pounds. The climb rate and ceiling consequently continued to remain poor.

Found the info here

http://www.p40warhawk.com/Variants/P-40D.htm

[theNewB]

heh love how I read one site head to the next and find the same overall paragraph but one tells me engine was blah blah, go to next site weight was increased by blah blah, head to the next one..rinse and repeat. Either way spent like 10mins reading the same things over again only to find a tid-bit more info each time.

[5PointOh]

See that was my problem, all websites said the same thing. Cant seem to find much documentation that were used in combat or pictures showing them mounted.

[Krusty]

It was not ever used, period. I don't even think it was ever mocked up or even factory tested.

It was a design convention in all models pre-E.

Give up. Move on. This one's a dead horse.

[5PointOh]

It was not ever used, period. I don't even think it was ever mocked up or even factory tested.

It was a design convention in all models pre-E.

Give up. Move on. This one's a dead horse.

Oh horay its the every wise Krusty, its was a question for those who might have an extra bit of info other than what I have. If I had asked for it in the game, I would have placed this thread in the "Wishlist" forum. But I sure you were bored and just needed to interject your "Give up. Move on. This one's a dead horse." mentality for a simple request for assistance in some information collection.

[Serenity]

Oh horay its the every wise Krusty, its was a question for those who might have an extra bit of info other than what I have. If I had asked for it in the game, I would have placed this thread in the "Wishlist" forum. But I sure you were bored and just needed to interject your "Give up. Move on. This one's a dead horse." mentality for a simple request for assistance in some information collection.

Hate to say it, but the quotes specifically say that it wasn't ever used so while my squaddie may have been a bit... abrasive in his wording, this was obviously never used.

[trotter]

See Rule #4

[Krusty]

The only thing "psychotic" (kudos for spelling such a large word properly! You must have looked it up) is your response and your pal 5pointoh's.

I was blunt and to the point. Every other frickin' post on the BBS has been to add 20mm cannons to some plane that NEVER used them, or SHOULD never have used them. It's overly repetitive, and 5pointoh's glee in shouting that the 20mms be added to the P-40E is just ...

(to be blunt once again)

retarded.

Wing bombs did not show up until later models. Most notably the M/N models come to mind. These were single mount points on each wing but larger size bombs, perhaps 100lbs or 250. I've only seen photos, I don't know what the weight of the bomb was.

Again, NOT something the P-40E used.

5pointoh can also request P-59s that fly at the speeds they were designed and intended to fly, but it doesn't mean they ever historically got anywhere near these specs (FYI so you don't have to look it up, the plane was a total flop, worthless compared to even prop planes of the time, but was intended/designed to be a jet fighter better than anything else)

[5PointOh]

The only thing "psychotic" (kudos for spelling such a large word properly! You must have looked it up) is your response and your pal 5pointoh's.

I was blunt and to the point. Every other frickin' post on the BBS has been to add 20mm cannons to some plane that NEVER used them, or SHOULD never have used them. It's overly repetitive, and 5pointoh's glee in shouting that the 20mms be added to the P-40E is just ...

(to be blunt once again)

retarded.

Well oh wise Krusty, if you read the original post the 20mm was for the D model only.   Also assumed most people would figure out that the "hehe" part was meant as a joke.  I was looking for more detailed information on fitment or usage of either of the fore mentioned armourments on the D/E models.  I do not want any changes for the 40s (although a couple of extra bombs would be nice).  To be honest the  only thing I'd like to see for the P40 is an update to its graphic in game.  I would like to thank you for small bit of info you did spout off, and if possible could you direct me to the location of the picture of the P40 fitted with wing ords. All this post was ever about was a quest for extra knowledge. I am very appreciative to the gents that assisted in the extra info. 

Thanks,
Coprhead 

[Serenity]

Irrelevant. The OP raises two main points for discussion in his thread. They are:

"I'm curious to what size bomb could be placed underneath the wing of P-40? And when can we get them?"

"DOes anyone have any more info on P-40s with 20mm cannons and Hitech or Pyro, can I have a cannoned P-40! hehe "

Only half of each of these statements has anything to do with requesting anything to do with the game. The other half is just a request for information. There's absolutely no need for Krusty's psychotic pessimism in an information seeking thread.

To the contrary, it is completely relevant. He asked for info on P-40s equipped with 20mm cannons. Research quotes from others show that this was never equipped, therefore, there is no service information on it. While Krusty may have been rather abrasive in his post, the fact is, that there is no information to be found because it didn't exist.

[GGhost]

Here is some help from the 79th Fighter Group library. The 79th FG flew the P40F and L models during the African campaigns. They were the highest horsepower P40's. They had the Merlin / Packard built engines with a 1 stage supercharger. They carried some bombs.

Enjoy, this book gives allot of information on all the P40 models.

P40 History

- GGhost

[SmokinLoon]

P40D/E???  While I very much enjoy the challenge of flying the P40x in AH2, the addition of the P40N would go along way in beathing new life into an aircraft that rides the shortbus in the world of online flight sims.

Give the P40B/E thier graphics update and add in a later war model (P40N) with both the 4 or 6 50cal gun packages and the different ord options.  Oh, but wait, since the P40x isnt a late war or uber plane like the Me262, Nik2, F6F5, or Typhoon, I doubt it will ever again see attention.  I hope I eat my words.