Another winning frame for the AXIS side

[Odee]

I want to fly a mossie and not run out of fuel taxi'ing to the hotpad that I couldn't even find.

All I gotta say is RTFM!

Read the Field Manual.  It's right in the middle of it.

[AKDogg]

<S> to AK's and TAC Drivers.

We few found a fight and what a fight it was.  Once those last Ki84 came in high over the fight, we knew it was only a matter of time.
 

Oh and, gotcha AKDogg!
woott!!!

Yes u did, Nice flying.  I almost had ya a few times but I was just to hvy with fuel to keep a rolling scissoring fight like we did.  Just before we found yas, I just dropped my ext and had 100% in the mains.  I should have gotten rid on the ext 20 mins before hand.  Would have been alot better for me, lol.

<S>

[Kermit de frog]

<S> AKDogg.  I'm glad our squad was able to fight your squadron.  I wish we could run into each other more often.  Your squadron flew with great teamwork.

[Viper61]

Ghostdancer:

  Read your reply back on page 2.  All makes sense about using unescorted bombers and the ALLIED side paying the price.  To this I agree completely.  All tactics aside or whether the AXIS were more organized or just plain lucky.  The fighter plane sets as is have several limitations on the ALLIED side:

  Theres no need to go into long explanations here, we all know the IJN planes are much better in a 1 on 1 engagement with equal pilots at an equal altitude.  In my opinion with the current plane set the ALLIES would need a 2 to 1 advantage at the merge to have a fighting chance.  The only advantage the ALLIED planes have is that they can take more damage than the AXIS fighters.  But with all the IJN fighters incorporating cannons this isn't much of an advantage past the 2nd strike of a 20mm round into a wing.

  So as long as the AXIS CIC puts up at least 90 fighters (KI 61's, 84's and NIKI's) in each frame the AXIS side will control the air by H+45.  Control of the air means no ALLIED bombers will make it through and if they do it is unlikely they will return making any points earned by destroying targets void by the loss of the ALLIED bombers.

  ALLIED bomber escorts:  The good Rus fighters don't have the range to escort the bombers, and the bombers need about 100 miles to climb up to 22 - 25K.  In most cases this then requires the ALLIED CIC to either:  Leave the bombers unescorted and conduct a fighter sweep or sit on the ground for 15 minutes, then launch his fighters to catch the bombers.  In either case the AXIS CIC has the advantage as he either forces the fight by aggressively moving towards the ALLIED bases or sending out scouts to locate the bombers as they climb out.  The map further helps the AXIS side do to its layout and radar coverage.  In most cases the AXIS bases can only realistically be hit from a 90 - 120 arc due there locations radar coverage and location relative to the ALLIED bases.  This allows the AXIS squads to mass in a very small sector around his bases.  The ALLIED bases need to be protected against a nearly 180 degree ARC.

  Even if you gave the ALLIES the use of 100% LA-7's I doubt it would impact the frame unless the ALLIED CIC ups over 150 of them in mass and attempts to conduct a single massive fighter sweep by H+25.

  I'm not going to complain without at least providing some ideas for what they are worth:

       Switch 1 or 2 squads from AXIS to ALLIED

       Further limit the IJN Fighters in total numbers by type and replace more with Zero's

       Separate the targets that the ALLIED side must attack forcing the AXIS side to further divide up there defenses

       Move the targets that the ALLIES must hit close to the island edge so that AXIS radar is less effective - or turn off some of the AXIS radars creating holes in their grid that would allow attacks from off angles.

  Just my ideas on how to get a more fair fight for frame 3.

       

   

[Scotch]

All I gotta say is RTFM!

Read the Field Manual.  It's right in the middle of it.

[Anaxogoras]

  Theres no need to go into long explanations here, we all know the IJN planes are much better in a 1 on 1 engagement with equal pilots at an equal altitude.  In my opinion with the current plane set the ALLIES would need a 2 to 1 advantage at the merge to have a fighting chance.  The only advantage the ALLIED planes have is that they can take more damage than the AXIS fighters.  But with all the IJN fighters incorporating cannons this isn't much of an advantage past the 2nd strike of a 20mm round into a wing.

I don't agree with this analysis at all.  I've flown this planeset in the AvA recently and it's clear that the La-7 is the most dominant aircraft.  In a combat environment like FSO, the ability to engage and disengage at will is worth far, far more than being able to turn a tight circle.  The Yak-9U and La-7 are faster than the Ki-84 and N1K at all altitudes.  The La-5 is only outpaced by the Ki-84 between 15-19k ft. Climbrates are comparable, too, yet the Russian aircraft can out-dive their opposition at will.

Still, despite the La-7's performance, these planesets are evenly matched enough to make pilot experience and ability the deciding factor in any co-e, co-alt, multi-aircraft engagement.

[Saxman]

Viper,

Fly like you would if you were in American Iron. Get above, stay fast, and don't try to turn.

[CHAPPY]

all it comes down to who has alt.

 

[Anaxogoras]

all it comes down to who has alt.

 

No, not that either.  In the last FSO (frame 1) our flight of P-39s out-fought a flight of A6M's that started with nearly a 10k ft altitude advantage.

[AKDogg]

As for the fuel issue with russian planes, Fuel management is the name of the game.  Don't be at full bore all the time.  Use the e6b for max cruise settings.  There has been times for us AK's that we got a plane (spits if I remember correctly) that had to travel in 1 direction 8+ sectors diagonally to escort.  Fuels burn was 1.0.  We all made it back but wouldn't have if we didn't fuel manage from take off.  After wheels were up, we went right to max cruise or slightly better till we climbed to alt.  We then went to max cruise settings until we got engaged.  Once not engaged, we immediately went to max cruise.  Alot of us made it back gliding but we made it back.

[Fencer51]

No, not that either.  In the last FSO (frame 1) our flight of P-39s out-fought a flight of A6M's that started with nearly a 10k ft altitude advantage.

Pray that does not happen again for 6 months..

After Action Report containing the aforementioned dogfight..

http://www.51hangar.net/FSO/FSO011609.html

[Anaxogoras]

That situation does not happen again for a while.  Once ever 6 months is fine..

I pray that if it does happen again, that we can perform so well!  Really, FSO is full of tough pilots who will beat the snot out of you even when you start with an advantage, and if you start with a disadvantage, Chappy, against the likes of JG11, lord help ya!  I can think of multiple FSO deaths that were the result of underestimating the piloting abilities of the enemy.  Sure, sometimes I run across people who are clearly new to the game in FSO, but even the merely decent sticks are likely to ruin your day if you're not careful.

[Saxman]

Pray that does not happen again for 6 months..

After Action Report containing the aforementioned dogfight..

http://www.51hangar.net/FSO/FSO011609.html

Here's another one:

http://vmf251-buccaneers.net/FSO/AAR/10-17-08.html

We got mauled pretty bad, but considering the advantage those 109s had (~5000ft) we shouldn't have come away giving nearly as good as we did.

[moot]

I want to fly a mossie and not run out of fuel taxi'ing to the hotpad that I couldn't even find.

Didn't you get the memo??

[Viper61]

Guys:

  All good comments directly above from SAX, AG, DOGG and Fencer.  All I'm saying here is that the ALLIED side has taken a hard licking on 2 out 3 frames and I don't believe the plans or the pilots can be blamed.  And dumb luck can only go so far.  Heck look at the AC kill ratios AXIS to ALLIED.

  Unless the ALLIED CIC goes really defensive heavy (Max fighters - Min bombers) with the sole intent of gaining air superiority and not "really" attempting to gain ground target points on this last frame we will see more of the same and the ALLIES will end frame 3 taking a 3rd hard lose.

  Again appreciate the comments and the 325th will do our part as always.  But when you get wiped out twice in a row and you see much of the same happening in the other squads it warrents a comment or two 

    guys and I'll see you in the air.