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Offline Stampf

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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2009, 08:17:18 AM »
I say Awards should generally be left up to the Squadrons.

The only unofficial one needed, we already have:

The Grand Order of the Kracken!

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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2009, 09:03:57 AM »
My MA squad doesn't issue medals and such, but it might be nice for FSO.  But, instead of arbitrarily handing out citations based on objects/planes killed, perhaps squad CO's or frame CiC's could nominate someone based on performance and the CM team could vote on who should receive it.

Citations and medals don't have to be based on real life ones, someone could create Aces High "branded" ones so people don't complain about earning a German medal or a US medal, etc.
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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2009, 09:22:10 AM »
The only unofficial one needed, we already have:

The Grand Order of the Kracken!



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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2009, 10:32:54 AM »
Great avatar Nefarious!  :aok

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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2009, 10:41:10 AM »
We had that issue when creating our own SOP. Using real awards as the basis, we had some long discussions trying to balance the spirt of the actual award to the virtual environment of AH2. It's very hard to quantify some awards because of this. And then, some awards we felt were inappropriate to give because of what they represent in real life to the awardees and their families (such as the Purple Heart and MoH).

What we ended up with was that certain Medals were awarded for FSO performance, and a select few ribbons that were awarded in other areas (like the Battle of Britain and Battle of Aces Ribbons)

It works our rather well and the guys in the squad enjoy the "cabbage" on their virtual uniforms.
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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2009, 12:07:03 PM »
The closest we could get to Purple Heart was to award it to a pilot who records a SUCCESSFUL landing at an airfield while PW'ed. So far we've only issued one.

CMH is going to be virtually impossible to find something within the game that adequately reflects it.
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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2009, 12:35:23 PM »
CMH could be awarded in a similar fashion to the Ritterkreuz, that is, after a long and proven record of successfully destroying enemy fighters. A FSO record would let a squad track each member's progress and achievements. That's how JG11 do it.

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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2009, 12:45:00 PM »
We track our score as well. I'd hate to degrade the CMH to an indicator of kills, tho.
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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2009, 01:55:32 PM »
Well the problem is there's only one degree of CMH right? There are no variations to it, and don't belittle a feat such as 250 aerial victories.

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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2009, 02:27:06 PM »
We track our score as well. I'd hate to degrade the CMH to an indicator of kills, tho.

I respectfully disagree with your position. There is nothing degrading about using it in that manner. Pilots earned the CMH for shooting down enemy aircraft. If you take that course of action, then using any award for the purposes of this game is degrading. It is the spirit to which you use it that is important in my opinion. If you choose not to use it, so be it, but to say it is degrading is a little over the top. I would have to say the Purple Heart is a much more dear award that might be degraded by use in a game as if you actually injured yourself playing, it was your own darn fault.  :D

I take it that most squads which incorporate an awards system based on actual awards do it for immersion and out of respect for those who earn them. As long as an award is made for merit, I fail to see any reason to reject it out of hand. I do not object to someone who plays the game faithfully and who does not disgrace his squad from earning a commendation medal, though I, possibly you, and many others spent the time earning one in real life. I am certainly no hero, but it is in the same vein that we are discussing. It is up to the squad to maintain the spirit of an award system. Done respectfully, I think it is appropriate.

Many men have been awarded the medal based on the large numbers of enemies they dispatched. York and Murphy come to mind, and many others. Here is just 1 instance of number of aircraft being shot down being included in a citation, maybe not the best example, but one none the less:

BONG, RICHARD I. (Air Mission)

Rank and organization: Major, U.S. Army Air Corps. Place and date: Over Borneo and Leyte, 10 October to 15 November 1944. Entered service at: Poplar, Wis. Birth: Poplar, Wis. G.O. No.: 90, 8 December 1944. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action above and beyond the call of duty in the Southwest Pacific area from 10 October to 15 November 1944. Though assigned to duty as gunnery instructor and neither required nor expected to perform combat duty, Maj. Bong voluntarily and at his own urgent request engaged in repeated combat missions, including unusually hazardous sorties over Balikpapan, Borneo, and in the Leyte area of the Philippines. His aggressiveness and daring resulted in his shooting down 8 enemy airplanes during this period.

When it comes down to it, I feel a well thought out, merit based awards system is a great tool for adding a measure of immersion and gratitude for those you fly with. Remembering that real people are out there earning these same awards keep them in our minds and hopefully our hearts, regardless of the country of origin. Thanks.

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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2009, 02:31:48 PM »
We do utilize victories as a requirement for some decorations (we have a full breakdown on the squad's Decorations page).

Still, there's something sacred about the CMH that makes me reluctant to utilize it.
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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2009, 02:36:38 PM »
Is it the medal that honor the man or the man that honor the medal?

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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2009, 04:28:49 PM »
The heck with medals, I want a promotion!!     :D
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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2009, 04:33:27 PM »
   LOL Stampf!
             

LOVE IT!

  I see everyones point on the awards thing. I do like how we got a ribbon from another squad, I thought that was real nice. As far as the ribbons I had in mind I have made a handful of homemade medals for various things AH related and was leaning in that direction rather that official medals or ribbons. I think I'll talk to the Mares and see if we could put together our squad ribbon we would present to a squad we felt deserved it.
   

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Re: FSO medals
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2009, 08:52:05 AM »
The heck with medals, I want a promotion!!     :D
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