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Core i7?
« on: February 24, 2009, 10:48:41 AM »
Anyone using one of the new Intel i7 cpus for the game?  Wayyyy too pricey for my budget but still curious as to how well they perform with Aces High.  The benchmark scores are off the charts and since AH is very CPU intensive... just wondering.
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Re: Core i7?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2009, 12:27:18 PM »
Amazing I'm sure.  Last generation AMD's and Intel's play the game flawlessly.  Now if you were into more graphic intense games or video/photo editing, you'd see marked imrpovement.
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Re: Core i7?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2009, 12:47:34 PM »
That was my thought too.  With the new updates to graphics I wonder what you would need to get fully smooth play at the highest resolutions.  I'd guess the i7's would be overkill.
My AMD 6000+ can run at the highest resolutions on a 24 inch monitor but it will bog down if there are too many other planes in very close proximity - plus the darn thing won't run stable on my XP setup so I'm getting the itch to upgrade.  I'm reading some nice reviews of the new AMD X3 720.
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Re: Core i7?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2009, 01:53:53 PM »
My big question is at what point will you be able to fully utilize a quad core cpu? Right now that seems way off except for video editing.

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Re: Core i7?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2009, 02:01:42 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought AH would use all four cores in a quad.
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Re: Core i7?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2009, 02:52:05 PM »
Not really.  Two cores is probably the most the game will use.  There is a little benefit as the OS operations can run on another core.  However, when RAM is accessed by any core, it essentially stops the other cores from accessing the RAM, so you might inadvertently increase stutters in the game using 4 cores, versus 2.

Most people do not understand only one CPU/core can access RAM at a time, whether it is being read or written.

The reason video programs benefit from more cores is the data packets they work with is small enough to fit into the cache of each core during transcoding which allows all cores to work at the same time.  When data is too large to be held in the cache of any given core, the performance drops dramatically.

In some applications, 4 cores is no better than 2 cores.

The i7's are a videographers dream come true.  In a standard transcoding benchmark, my 3.7GHz E8400 took 2 minutes 46 seconds to run the test.  An i7 system ran it in 56 seconds.  Yes, I want one!
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Re: Core i7?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2009, 06:21:58 PM »
I have built a few i7s for AH players and from what I seen in the build and benchmarking, they scream.  If the persons I built for decide to put their findings here is up to them.  Love the i7 920, very overclockable on air and stable. 

The i7 920 can be had (230.00 retail) for not much more then the E8400 (159.00) about 70.00 difference.  The MB's are more expensive but not as expensive as a good gamers board, ASUS P6T for about 250.00.  The DDR3 it requires is another story, to make full use of the i7 you should get DDR3 Tri Channel memory this is much more expensive then DDR2.

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Re: Core i7?
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2009, 10:46:10 AM »
Not really.  Two cores is probably the most the game will use.  There is a little benefit as the OS operations can run on another core.  However, when RAM is accessed by any core, it essentially stops the other cores from accessing the RAM, so you might inadvertently increase stutters in the game using 4 cores, versus 2.
Skuzzy,
Thanks for the info.  Do you have any thoughts on the triple core AMD's?  I've been reading some articles on the 720 that look pretty good:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom-ii-x4-810-and-x3-720be-review-am3/
I had been considering the 8400 for my next upgrade, but the 720 appears to be a viable alternative at a few bucks less - plus I'd prefer to give my business to AMD from a competition standpoint.  I do a small amount of video rendering but Aces High consumes probably 90% of my puter time.

TilDeath,
The i7 920 for $230!  Where are you finding that price?  Newegg lists it for $289.  I'd love to build a system with it - I'm thinking the Tri Channel option would be great since I run XP and I could use 3 one gig sticks - but it's just completely out of my price range at this point.  If I could just get my 6000+ to stop freezing up on me...  grrrr.
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2009, 11:06:44 AM »
Are you sure the processor is what is causing your problems?  Freezing is a very generic term and generally processor flaws are quite serious (to the point you cannot boot the CPU), not minor freezing stuff.  There are hundreds of causes for 'freezing.'  An AMD 6000+ should easily handle Aces High.

Also, for video and photo production, Intel will beat AMD hands down. 
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2009, 11:27:45 AM »
From what I can tell, it's potentially an instability issue between the first generation of AMD dual cores and XP.  I've downloaded the dual core optimizer and the patch from MS but I just can't get it stable.  Still messing with it tho so who knows.
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Re: Core i7?
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2009, 01:54:02 PM »
From what I can tell, it's potentially an instability issue between the first generation of AMD dual cores and XP.  I've downloaded the dual core optimizer and the patch from MS but I just can't get it stable.  Still messing with it tho so who knows.

Relic, you may need to edit the registry as well. Did you do that?

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2009, 03:56:25 PM »
No I did not.  I didn't think that would work for system freeze issues - I thought that was more related to running the game correctly IE the spinning clipboard issue.
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Re: Core i7?
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2009, 05:18:49 PM »
Skuzzy,
Thanks for the info.  Do you have any thoughts on the triple core AMD's?  I've been reading some articles on the 720 that look pretty good:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom-ii-x4-810-and-x3-720be-review-am3/
I had been considering the 8400 for my next upgrade, but the 720 appears to be a viable alternative at a few bucks less - plus I'd prefer to give my business to AMD from a competition standpoint.  I do a small amount of video rendering but Aces High consumes probably 90% of my puter time.

TilDeath,
The i7 920 for $230!  Where are you finding that price?  Newegg lists it for $289.  I'd love to build a system with it - I'm thinking the Tri Channel option would be great since I run XP and I could use 3 one gig sticks - but it's just completely out of my price range at this point.  If I could just get my 6000+ to stop freezing up on me...  grrrr.
Here is where I get all my processors since they are less then the Distributors in pricing. http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0300438  If they wont shipp to you let me know and I can pick one up for you.  But so your aware I would have to charge the tax since this is not a build for me and I can not place the item on an invoice for a box. 

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Re: Core i7?
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2009, 06:32:14 PM »
No I did not.  I didn't think that would work for system freeze issues - I thought that was more related to running the game correctly IE the spinning clipboard issue.

CC. There are some registry changes needed beyond the patches. It's in the same thread.

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Re: Core i7?
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2009, 08:52:24 AM »
TilDeath,
Thanks for the link.  Damn nice price on the 920.  First I'm gonna try getting my 6000+ stable - I bought it specifically so I wouldn't have to do an expensive upgrade for another couple years.  If I can't get it to work then I'm looking pretty hard at that AMD X3 720.  In the end I will pick what gives me the best bang for the buck - within my budget of course (NEVER take a job working for the State of Nebraska...).

Getback,
I will check on the registry changes - hope that works.

Thanks for the help gentlemen!

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