Stirring for time

[Chalenge]

Around the first of February I started to run into (not literally) more bandits that use negative pitching to stay out of gun solutions and try to use your ammo up so they can get home. Then last week I found this guy who is egressing from 84 (on the map with the 85/87 GV fight) in a long line of knights. I am returning home myself after porking their fields and I have two guns and a fuel leak. This 190 and I cross each others 9oc except I turn to engage and he wants none of it. When the disco dancing starts I pull the throttle back and take snapshots.

Since this is getting to be so popular I want to ask who is it that is teaching this stuff?

File is about 32megs WMV.

[dkff49]

I have been noticeing a lotmore of that type of thing too. I however don't think that anybody is teaching them it. I do however think that these people feel that the best defense is to foil your shots any way possible even if it means giving up all their "E" to do it.

The biggest problem is that they are not being taught anything, they simply are going it alone and doing whatever they can think of to survive. Now I will not tell you any lies I have spent so little time in the TA that it is not even worth mentioning and that has caused me to take 10 times longer to learn what I know now and I still suck but I won't do anything like that. I did however have that mentality when I first started but have learned that there are alot more effective ways to get someone off your 6 and I work on those every sortie I fly.

I have also noticed that all the ones that do that are not new and unknown players but I have also seen a few better known people doing the same thing. The more experienced ones are the ones that you will never see change but I think that the newer players will eventually come around and learn the same lessons I have and maybe a few more.

[Hungry]

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,259292.0/topicseen.html

[dkff49]

He did not say that you should fly at negative "G"s he said that you fly in a way that your opponent is flying at negative G's in order to shoot you.

You can accomplish this without using negative g's to the limit that this guy and others do.

I am fairly certain that most of the trainers if not all would not reccomend this tactic as it is purely defensive and creates little opportunity for turning things to your favoras it bleed all your "E" to pull such a maneuver. I have never had trouble catching ponies in a zero when pull such a stunt and almost every time they take the fast route to the tower as a result.

[MjTalon]

As DK said, no one is teaching these pilots any BFM. A barrel roll defence would have put him in a good position of you overshooting but as i cannot view the film atm i will assume that wasn't the case.

[Saurdaukar]

Its used for two reasons, by two types of players:

1.)  Those of the newer variety who are quick to overreact and cross controls.

2.)  Those of the more experienced variety who understand that a negative-G avoidance maneuver is the last thing expected by other experienced players.

Generally concur with everything else written.  Initially effective but purely defensive and, beyond the immediate avoidance, does not improve one's position relative to the attacking AC. 

Waste of E.

[Sunka]

I love the stick stirrers,a nice slow target flip flopping all over like a wounded do do bird.

[Shuffler]

Makes for a good laugh magnified by margaritas.

[StokesAk]

I use it in my 38 all the time. It is hard to shoot them but what i usually do when faced with this problem on enemy fighters i climb up roll over the top and dive back down this makes me loose some of my E and i can stay with them without overshooting and most of the time it gives me a nice shot on the top of their plane. 190s are really good for this because of their roll rate (but it helps them in only dodging bullets). Oh and someone told me to use "The Flat Side" of my plane.

[Sunka]

Stokes stop Petting your sheep!!!
 

[StokesAk]

But the're so soft and cuddly, i get bored spawn camping.

[smokey23]

I see this all the time sitting on a Vbase in my wirble these bish P51's come over the base at 100ft and you see the plane pitchin up and down in rapid succsession and the tail is flippin around like a fish on a bank. Makes a guy wander what their trying to accomplish. They arent able to hit the broad side of a barn doin that, and they still end up in the tower. To each their own i spose

[CAP1]

Around the first of February I started to run into (not literally) more bandits that use negative pitching to stay out of gun solutions and try to use your ammo up so they can get home. Then last week I found this guy who is egressing from 84 (on the map with the 85/87 GV fight) in a long line of knights. I am returning home myself after porking their fields and I have two guns and a fuel leak. This 190 and I cross each others 9oc except I turn to engage and he wants none of it. When the disco dancing starts I pull the throttle back and take snapshots.

Since this is getting to be so popular I want to ask who is it that is teaching this stuff?

File is about 32megs WMV.

couple of possibilities.

1) in the offline missions(at least the low alt p38 vs spit9 and n1k) when you do what it looked like he was doing in the beginning, the AI WILL overshoot you. he could've been trying for that.

2)in the beginning there, it looked like he was trying to use scissors to evade, and force(again) you to overshoot. it was however, a very poorly executed maneuver.


 all in all, i didn't see anything really weird there at all. i see poop like that all the time in mw.

[uptown]

Each night I PM several folks instructing them to do that when they see a blue nosed pony 

[AWwrgwy]

I think there is a much simpler explanation.  Someone did it to them and it worked.

Doesn't work for me.


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