Stirring for time

[CAP1]

Each night I PM several folks instructing them to do that when they see a blue nosed pony 

dam dude....you're on a roll lately!!

that just ain't right.......

[Chalenge]

Each night I PM several folks instructing them to do that when they see a blue nosed pony 

Thanks Uptown that explains my ever expanding kill collection of run90s. I got another one tonight well flown 190 and then he started the stir... slow down... wait... yes I know that guy! 

[Anaxogoras]

I know a guy who flies for Knights, always in a Spixteen, and I liked him alright when I flew Knight, but now that he's my opponent it's infuriating that he pumps his elevator up and down like crazy when you get behind him.

[C(Sea)Bass]

I encoutered the dork in the 190 tonight. Sucked because I couldnt slow down or risk getting jumped by his 6 buddies. It was someone who I have seen on here for a while too. Its a shame that someone who knows better resorts to such dweebery.

[JunkyII]

Yea Gav spit 16s do have a ability that doesnt get matched by any other plane they do that move in the video but they can do it alot harder

[Bruv119]

Doom's 190 is my favourite, I sit in behind not shooting and hold my fire on purpose just to watch him nearly crash it in 

Saying that I've come across several highly regarded sticks pull the same move.  It is a legit way of getting out of someones guns in a last ditch attempt to save yourself.  They just have to hope they ride your bullets without losing anything critical.

[AWwrgwy]

Doom's 190 is my favourite, I sit in behind not shooting and hold my fire on purpose just to watch him nearly crash it in 

Saying that I've come across several highly regarded sticks pull the same move.  It is a legit way of getting out of someones guns in a last ditch attempt to save yourself.  They just have to hope they ride your bullets without losing anything critical.

I rode in his 262 once.  He flies the same way when he's behind someone.  No way I can shoot like that.


wrongway

[KG45]

why won't those friggen dweebs just fly straight and level and let me shoot them down, geddimmit!

[Stampf]

Thanks Uptown that explains my ever expanding kill collection of run90s. I got another one tonight well flown 190 and then he started the stir... slow down... wait... yes I know that guy! 

Still a long way to go to catch your ever growing collection of P51 runstang kills though. (25 , 42).    Second only to your collection of Lancaster kills. (47).  Nice collections though Chalenge. 

[humble]

I'm using some type of Neg E juke more and more often...obviously it will vary by plane type. In a 190 I'll normally use it to create both a bit of deceleration and vertical displacement setting up a barrel roll or rolling scissors type defense.

[Stampf]

I'm using some type of Neg E juke more and more often...obviously it will vary by plane type. In a 190 I'll normally use it to create both a bit of deceleration and vertical displacement setting up a barrel roll or rolling scissors type defense.

   Exactly. I laugh my arse off at the PM's sent accusing of stirring. Options are limited in the 190 when you have a fast a/c on your six.  I think alot of the "stirring" you see from 190 pilots is just new guys suddenly realizing the plane is a brick with wings, and it takes a slowhand and quick reaction time to survive in.  Also, I will add I see as much questionable tactics from other A/C types as I do from enemy luft iron.  Particularly the Spitfire 16.

For the record, I will agree with the poster who stated he didn't believe anyone was teaching stick stirring.   I can at least attest to my geschwader in that respect.  Chalenge has (1) kill on JG11 190 pilots this month.  'Blitzin' in his A-5, who is flying the Wurger for the first time this tour.

Now for "for time" part of this topic.  That is right on, particularly with the 190, as it is the ultimate team plane.  Staying alive long enough for help to arrive and clean the fixated guy off your six is sound flying.  Don't blame the guy getting help, if you find yourself suddenly in a reversal of circumstance.

[The Fugitive]

Around the first of February I started to run into (not literally) more bandits that use negative pitching to stay out of gun solutions and try to use your ammo up so they can get home. Then last week I found this guy who is egressing from 84 (on the map with the 85/87 GV fight) in a long line of knights. I am returning home myself after porking their fields and I have two guns and a fuel leak. This 190 and I cross each others 9oc except I turn to engage and he wants none of it. When the disco dancing starts I pull the throttle back and take snapshots.

Since this is getting to be so popular I want to ask who is it that is teaching this stuff?

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LOL!!! that wasn't stick stirring !  It was a very bad attempt at a flat scissors, but at least it was an attempt at a maneuver. Stick stirring is just that, like stirring a cake mix. The plane continues its forward motion but is flopping all over the place, to keep them in your gunsite take very little movement on your part, but they are hard to hit. One moment you "see" most of the top of the plane, the next its mostly a side view. While this guy wasn't so good, at least he was trying something.

[Stampf]

LOL!!! that wasn't stick stirring !  It was a very bad attempt at a flat scissors, but at least it was an attempt at a maneuver. Stick stirring is just that, like stirring a cake mix. The plane continues its forward motion but is flopping all over the place, to keep them in your gunsite take very little movement on your part, but they are hard to hit. One moment you "see" most of the top of the plane, the next its mostly a side view. While this guy wasn't so good, at least he was trying something.

Spot on.  I didn't want to be the one to say it, seeing as it may be seen as partisan posting. 

[MjTalon]

  Exactly. I laugh my arse off at the PM's sent accusing of stirring. Options are limited in the 190 when you have a fast a/c on your six.  I think alot of the "stirring" you see from 190 pilots is just new guys suddenly realizing the plane is a brick with wings, and it takes a slowhand and quick reaction time to survive in.  Also, I will add I see as much questionable tactics from other A/C types as I do from enemy luft iron.  Particularly the Spitfire 16.

For the record, I will agree with the poster who stated he didn't believe anyone was teaching stick stirring.   I can at least attest to my geschwader in that respect.  Chalenge has (1) kill on JG11 190 pilots this month.  'Blitzin' in his A-5, who is flying the Wurger for the first time this tour.

Now for "for time" part of this topic.  That is right on, particularly with the 190, as it is the ultimate team plane.  Staying alive long enough for help to arrive and clean the fixated guy off your six is sound flying.  Don't blame the guy getting help, if you find yourself suddenly in a reversal of circumstance.

Spot one kommandant Stampf. 
For the record, that particular engagement that ended me up low on the deck trailing 3 bandits ( Chalenge P51, a 109K and Spit 8 I believe ) was from a SchlachtFlieger Mission to the airbase that he upped from. We then found out that their cv gave away our location as we were spotted on dar about 10 miles out from target.

As everyone said above me, stick stirring in a 190 low and slow isn't stirring. If you fly the plane you'll know trying to make any hard break turns with no E will studder the wings and make it looks like the plane is going to flatspin. Also the plane has good roll rate so i was attempting a low speed barrel roll, which ended up badly i might say. 

[waystin2]

Hello Gentlemen,

Fugitive is absolutely correct.  I have seen stirring, and I have seen scissors, barrel rolls, etc.  The two look nothing alike.  One is actual ACM, the other is just overwhelming your stick input to the point your plane trips, flips, & flops left, right, up, down, and many combinations of those directions.   I believe what the OP was describing is actual defensive ACM.

Have a great day,

Way