Another Collision Whine

[grizz441]

I have never had a collision that I could give a rat's arse about (my fault / his fault) ... they are so infrequent and so unimportant in the greater scheme of things.

The level of pissed-offed-ness that people have concerning collisions boggles the mind.

Yep.

I don't care enough about this one situation to post a thread about it or cry for it to be fixed to my liking.  Ultimately, I love the collision model and think it is genius the way it functions 95% of the time.

I'm just playing devil's advocate about a particular type of ram for the sake of discussion.  Not that it comes up enough to where it would actually piss me off. 

[SlapShot]

I'm just playing devil's advocate about a particular type of ram for the sake of discussion.  Not that it comes up enough to where it would actually piss me off. 

I understand grizz.

Why people can't see that the collision model is what it is ... not perfect but as close to it as one could get without writing tremendous amounts of complex code ... and for what ? ... to appease those who consistently put themselves and their planes in bad positions that increase the probability of collisions ... I don't think so ... the ROI would not be worth it.

[grizz441]

You are absolutely correct.

[AWwrgwy]

For everyone who has complained about the collision model in the past, we have here two people colliding, both getting the collision message, both taking damage.... And we have a complaint.  Why would it matter in what direction the collision occurred???

Did he shoot at you before or during the collision?  Did he hit you?  

This is also a pet peev of mine.

I simply do not understand why, when both planes
report that a collision has occured, both planes
don't crash.

Mid-air collisions are catastrophic events.
It is exceedingly rare for a plane to remain
airworthy after having one, especially when
the impact is highly kinetic.

Both should be dead or severely crippled and
near dead.

Two cars get in an accident, a collision.  The driver of one car is killed.  Should the other driver be dragged out of his car and be summarily executed?

I have flown 400 mph right underneath a spit before, and he got a collision message and his wing was ripped off.  No damage to me.  This is the one circumstance imo where the collision model isn't great.  As is now, the model does attempt to address fault and not penalize a player who didn't collide on his end.  

I think it would be cool though if HiTech could somehow eliminate the rammed from behind collisions.  Like if a collision starts from the back, the collision becomes void for that encounter for the player being rammed from behind.  (no pun intended)

Were you by chance shooting at the other plane?  Did you hit him?  Again, what difference does it make which direction the collision occurs?  Should T-bones be eliminated too?

I think many of the "I died in a collision, he didn't" whines are due to being shot down prior or during the collision and not so much due to the impact of the aircraft with another aircraft.

IN  

There should be some sort of penalty for unnecessary IN-ing.  Where's the post-padding police?



wrongway

[grizz441]

For everyone who has complained about the collision model in the past, we have here two people colliding, both getting the collision message, both taking damage.... And we have a complaint.  Why would it matter in what direction the collision occurred???

Did he shoot at you before or during the collision?  Did he hit you? 


Two cars get in an accident, a collision.  The driver of one car is killed.  Should the other driver be dragged out of his car and be summarily executed?


Were you by chance shooting at the other plane?  Did you hit him?  Again, what difference does it make which direction the collision occurs?  Should T-bones be eliminated too?

I think many of the "I died in a collision, he didn't" whines are due to being shot down prior or during the collision and not so much due to the impact of the aircraft with another aircraft.



There should be some sort of penalty for unnecessary IN-ing.  Where's the post-padding police?



wrongway

Easy on the collision model martyrdom.

And no, I didn't fire at the guy, it was a terrible angled attack, I couldn't even get guns on him.

[CAP1]

Come on Bald, your smarter than that.

Ram is virtually impossible to do, and we've yet to see any show definitive proof where they managed to ram someone without taking damage.

Collisions happen, in this case, it wasn't your fault. But flying AH isn't about "blame".

someone posted a film of himself doing just that deliberately, a couple of months ago.

they were outta ammo, caught up to the damaged 190(?) went under him, and came up in front, juuust close enough that their end saw a collision.

[E25280]

someone posted a film of himself doing just that deliberately, a couple of months ago.

they were outta ammo, caught up to the damaged 190(?) went under him, and came up in front, juuust close enough that their end saw a collision.

And yet, you can not call that a "ram", because Shane did not run his plane into the other.

[CAP1]

And yet, you can not call that a "ram", because Shane did not run his plane into the other.

well, he did sort of.....he came up into the other plane...thus ramming him. he just didn't ram him with his nose.

[Chalenge]

The plane that rams me the most is the Yak. Yaks love to do rolling scissors which is a great move against most people and against my P51 it works really well but about 60% of the time (maybe higher) they will ram me. Only problem is I avoid the ram and they die because on my game I see them cross my nose and I shoot them. When the run into me and I dont shoot I still get the kill but the feeling of a job well done is missing. 

[AWwrgwy]

And yet, you can not call that a "ram", because Shane did not run his plane into the other.

I have a film of me in KI-67s getting Rammed by a P-51.  Already shot down one Spit, busy dodging NKL5 who's trying to kill me with an AR234, P-51 is spraying from 1.5k out, runs out of ammo and drives into me.  If it wasn't deliberate i don't know what it was.


wrongway

[96Delta]

No.

If both planes report a collision, both get damage.

The exact amount varies.
Happened to me that I just lost just a gear or a flap from collision,
though usually damage is more severe.

Which one took the most damage....?

[Lusche]

hmm could have been the Spit. I could imagine the 262 getting only a PW - or nothing when ther's no collision on HIS screen

[Bronk]

Which one took the most damage....?

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Need the other guys film.
C'mon I know you are smarter than this. You plan theses elaborate missions but can't grasp the fact that we have our own unique picture of what happens in an air to air encounter?

[CAP1]

Which one took the most damage....?

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and on top of this all, you're showing us you're a hotard?   

[E25280]

well, he did sort of.....he came up into the other plane...thus ramming him. he just didn't ram him with his nose.

The film clearly showed that Shane missed the other plane, thus no ram occurred.

That Shane got lucky and caused the other guy to collide is beside the point.  For it to be a "ram", he would have had to smack the plane he saw with his.  But, they never touched, hence it is not a ram.

Admittedly I am claiming a technicality, but it is an important one.  The film was of a very unique situation, and for people to claim that it happens deliberately and regularly, is simply false.

In AH, if you actually ram a plane, you only guarantee harm to yourself.  The other guy may or may not be damaged depending on whether the planes on his screen intersect or not.