Another Collision Whine

[Chalenge]

BE its not like that I know. What happened is the guy attacked you from behind shot you and then collided with you. I have shot the wing off a P38 and had the wreckage hit me as I tried to pass over the top but the P38 does this wideangled nose up flop where the plane can actually climb after losing its tail. I imagine other planes can do the same thing pretty easy.

Tonight I ran into the same group of HOers over and over and I was killing them pretty easy since the skilless noobs had nothing more then HO everytime... then I started getting tired and relaxing too much and... Collisions do happen! 

[Bronk]

Why can't YOU understand I didn't fly my plane into anything.  I was simply flying along, got rammed from behind and went down for it while the other guy flew on.  I certainly didn't BACK into him.

Why can't you understand if you allow your ac to touch it's your problem. We cannot fly to what you see.
Or have you devised a way for us to know your ping time, our ping time and your AC speed? This way we can predict where your ac is on your front end.

[Lusche]

Why can't YOU understand I didn't fly my plane into anything. 

Yet there was a collision on your front end that you didn't avoid. And just like the often cited "real life": What you see is what you get. Collision = damage.
That sometimes your opponent is flying away unscathed while it seems to have ben his fault can suck. But it's only a logical result of the clear and simple "what you see is what you get" principle, and any departure from that principle opens a can of worms.
After all you are responsible for all what happens on your screen. If you evade, you don't suffer.

[SlapShot]

I'm sure there has been at least one time where you got one sided rammed and were angry about it and felt the other guy was at fault even though he didn't *see* the ram.  I think you'd be lying if you said no.

Yeah, I get pissed for a nano-second ... and I get pissed at myself ... and then I get another plane and try again.

[SlapShot]

Why can't YOU understand I didn't fly my plane into anything.  I was simply flying along, got rammed from behind and went down for it while the other guy flew on.  I certainly didn't BACK into him.

I understand that you were "simply" flying straight and level and received a 30mm enema first, and then experienced a collision.

Anyone who flys a 262 (outside of a hand full of experten) can easily get caught in not really knowing their closure rate and inadvertently ram into the back of their target. The fact that he rammed you from behind really means nothing except that you were not trying to evade.

[mechanic]

 Slap, some rare times there is actualy nothing you can do to avoid being rammed, like if you are on the verge of a stall trying to force an overshoot, you may have 0% control authority at the time. But that makes no difference to your point, which is a valid one.
 BaldEagle, imagine all the collisions that happened in real life, I am willing to assume that a good percentage of pilots who colided had:
A) No clue they were about to be rammed
B) No control over the situation of another pilot flying into them.
C) No forum to come and dispute the matter on afterwards.

Its the same on the roads today. When you get hit from behind at the lights you may have had 0% influence but you still got hit. The small downside of online gaming is that sometimes the only virtual reality that the crash occours in is yours. I know im wasting my time here, lucky i have alot of it currently.

[grizz441]

Yeah, I get pissed for a nano-second ... and I get pissed at myself ... and then I get another plane and try again.

Yeah but on the same token, sometimes I pull a hard maneuver into someone then at the last nanosecond abort the maneuver and yank rudder and stick away from him as I realize I'm about to ram him instead of creating a 100yd snap shot.  When he gets the collision message, I laugh of course, but I know that I created that collision even though it happened only on his end.

[WMLute]

Why can't YOU understand I didn't fly my plane into anything.  I was simply flying along, got rammed from behind and went down for it while the other guy flew on.  I certainly didn't BACK into him.

I'm with ya' BaldEagl, it is 100% not your fault that you allowed another plane to hit yours.

How dare HiTech Coad it so that when things hit you you take damage and when they don't you won't.

What was he thinking?

[Dadsguns]

Yeah but on the same token, sometimes I pull a hard maneuver into someone then at the last nanosecond abort the maneuver and yank rudder and stick away from him as I realize I'm about to ram him instead of creating a 100yd snap shot.  When he gets the collision message, I laugh of course, but I know that I created that collision even though it happened only on his end.

I wonder how many other guys could impossibly (according the the experts) do this..... 

[Motherland]

I wonder how many other guys could impossibly (according the the experts) do this..... 

You can't do it purposely.
It's incalculable, unless you know everybody in the arena's ping and you know who you're fighting against.

[grizz441]

I wonder how many other guys could impossibly (according the the experts) do this..... 

Yeah, it happens, is never planned, and is purely lucky.  But I do feel responsible for some collisions that only the other guy sees, and I feel he is responsible sometimes for only collisions I see.  In the majority of rams it is both players' faults though for putting their aircraft in risky positions.

[Wingnutt]

[falcon23]

OK,how about this...Whenever ONE of TWO planes gets a collision model,it AUTO CHUTES them out of their respective plane's and into open parachutes,then they can go at it with the guns,and whoever gets the kill by handgun,gets the kill earned for killing the other plane..
   


Or something along those lines..

[Bronk]

OK,how about this...Whenever ONE of TWO planes gets a collision model,it AUTO CHUTES them out of their respective plane's and into open parachutes,then they can go at it with the guns,and whoever gets the kill by handgun,gets the kill earned for killing the other plane..
   


Or something along those lines..

How about you try to avoid other AC and we all do the same. Gentlemen collisions happen, adjust your flying and watch them virtually disappear. Chalk it up to oops and move on.

[SlapShot]

Yeah but on the same token, sometimes I pull a hard maneuver into someone then at the last nanosecond abort the maneuver and yank rudder and stick away from him as I realize I'm about to ram him instead of creating a 100yd snap shot.  When he gets the collision message, I laugh of course, but I know that I created that collision even though it happened only on his end.

Hmmmm ... you realized that there is a imminent collision ... you adjust your flight path to avoid ... he continues to pull into the imminent collision and does nothing to prevent it ... and you feel as tho you caused the collision ?