F4U-4 vs Spitfire 14

[Noir]

Ok just to keep this thread going I PICK SPIT14!

I'd get the spit14 too...

[Angus]

Was jostling with an F4U-4 yesterday, - me in a Spit 8. He could not shake me off, however his wingman made a change in that setup

[iTunes]

Not true.  Different aircraft have different potential.

Or does a fight between a Foker Eidecker and an F-22 Raptor come down to the pilot?  Yes, that is an extreme example.  How about a Foker Eindecker vs a Spitfire Mk Ia?

The aircraft does make a difference.  Great pilots can overcome a lot, but even then limits can be found.

ON PAPER the 109 was better than the spit/hurri during the BoB, did they win? no, of course not, why? Because real men flew those planes and they didn't want a bunch of German Nazis rampaging through our country. so without sounding too confrontational, I disagree and say that it does come down to the Pilot mostly, (especially in the cartoon world in here) Example, someone like Larry, N72 etc in a spit 14, Zipcode guy in the 4 hog, who's gonna win?

[Karnak]

The Bf109E-4 is not better than the Spitfire Mk Ia on paper.  The two are about the most evenly matched aircraft in any historical meeting I can think of.

And your comment ignores they rather strong advantages the British had in radar and fighting over their own territory.

[Anaxogoras]

Example, someone like Larry, N72 etc in a spit 14, Zipcode guy in the F-16, who's gonna win?

Fixed.

I disagree and say that it does come down to the Pilot mostly

Within the confines of AH, yes, a big majority of the time it is pilot ability that determines the fight.  But remember, we are usually flying aircraft that are matched closely enough for pilot ability to matter.  I can beat the pants off a better pilot if he's in a P-40B and I'm in a Spitfire XVI, but how often does that matchup occur?

[Angus]

The Bf109E-4 is not better than the Spitfire Mk Ia on paper.  The two are about the most evenly matched aircraft in any historical meeting I can think of.

And your comment ignores they rather strong advantages the British had in radar and fighting over their own territory.

Also ignored is the short notice due to the short distance and geographical position as well as the system of the British still wearing it's baby clothes. So, generally, the Hun came out high from the sun. That was also an advantage.
But on paper they were very well matched, as in real life.

[Lusche]

Both plane & pilot are part of the equation. The bigger the difference in pilots skill, the less important the machines get -
Put two good sticks of same skill in different planes and the performance of that machines begins to play a major role. If you put an ace in one plane, and a 2weeker on his first day in another - not so much.

[MachFly]

ON PAPER the 109 was better than the spit/hurri during the BoB, did they win? no, of course not,

I don't know, on paper they look kinda the same, lol
date taken from Spitfire vs Bf 109 Battle of Britain by Tony Holmes

I can beat the pants off a better pilot if he's in a P-40B and I'm in a Spitfire XVI, but how often does that matchup occur?

The last fight on P-40B that i had was against a P-51D and a P-38L (at the same time) they also probably thought that they can beat me, lol, did not happen that way. 

Or does a fight between a Foker Eidecker and an F-22 Raptor come down to the pilot?

Example, someone like Larry, N72 etc in a spit 14, Zipcode guy in the F-16, who's gonna win?

To be honest with you the fight between an F-22 and an E.1 would be kinda hard. Because E.1 is made out of wood and is invisible for the missiles, then if you want to go for guns, F-22's stall speed is probably greater than E.1's top speed. And E.1 can certainly out turn the raptor. lol
I understand the point that your trying to make, your just not making it. Here is a better example: You have 2 airplanes climbing in the vertical, the distance between them in about 200yards & there almost stalling. If the 1st plane stalls 1st, he dies, if the 2nd stalls 1st he dies. Here is a part of a dogfight episode where Bud Anderson is in such situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt8G3vxLmKE
Most of the time when you have 2 aircraft of the same class it does depend on the pilots, but sometimes that little bit of power can make a differences between life and death.

The reason I made this thread is NOT to determine which pilot is better, the one that is siting in a spit 14 or in -4, but which airplane is better, actually which airplane would you take for your self?

[Angus]

I'd probably go with the 14.

[MachFly]

Spitfire mk XIV Data Sheet

[bozon]

Spit 14, because winning with the best plane is no fun.

[MachFly]

I found the exact specs for F4U-4 from Corsair by Barrett Tillman

Wing Area: 314sq ft
Wingspan 41ft
Span Folded 17ft
Length:33ft 8in
Height: 14ft 9in
Empty Weight: 9,205lb
Gross Weight: 14,670lb
Engine: P-W R-2800-18W
Engine rating: 2,100hp
Top Speed: 446mph @ 26,200ft (385kts)
Cruise speed: 215mph (187kts)
Climb Rate: 3,870fpm
Service Ceiling: 41,500ft
Range: 1,005 statute miles
Standard Armament: Six .50-cal. machine guns
Maximum Ordnance: Eight 5in rockets under wings; Up to 4,000lb on centerline and pylon racks.

keep in mined that the info. above is about the read F4U-4 not what we have in AH2, there for it might be a little different.

[MachFly]

If your attacking a set of bombers, what would you rather be flying? 14 or -4?

[Tec]

I'll take the -4 for it's ruggedness, and gobs of laser ammo that can be applied liberally at long range.

[Spikes]

I'd take a -4 for that role, the Spit14 would get ripped apart.