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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2009, 10:38:32 AM »
As far back as I can recall it's been like this. 

Rooks kill the most, die the least. 

Bish die the most, kill the least. 

Knits in the middle.

I find it fascinating that every tour is like that, and has been for years upon years.

Why is that I wonder? 


Once I thought thats because of a few, prominent squads and their leaders and their specific style of gampelay. And as we all know, birds of a feather flock together...

But since I found that the K/D differences had been the very same since beginning of Aces high, I have massive doubts about that. Too many players came & went, gameplay has changed, squads have changed, yet the K/D differences had been quite stable...

is it possible to do a graph of base captures per country?

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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2009, 11:50:05 AM »
Too many players came & went, gameplay has changed, squads have changed, yet the K/D differences had been quite stable...


Which brings back my question...

Why?

I too woulda though with players and squads comin' and going that the graph would change, yet on the whole, it doesn't seem to.
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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2009, 12:00:07 PM »
Not now, but here are last year's K/D:

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While your at it, post the graphs of the dailiy country populations for the last year.  Without that, your little K/D graph explains nothing.






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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2009, 12:01:38 PM »
While your at it, post the graphs of the dailiy country populations for the last year. 

Not possible

Without that, your little K/D graph explains nothing.

Was never meant to explain anything.
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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2009, 12:03:24 PM »
Which brings back my question...

Why?

I too woulda though with players and squads comin' and going that the graph would change, yet on the whole, it doesn't seem to.

My only idea... uneven distribution of new players at their first login. But that's really a wild guess only.
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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2009, 12:10:02 PM »
You commented against the "it's the pilot, not the plane" quote (which I have agreed with you on for some time, by the way), and explained why it wasn't so easy to say that.

This falls into the same category. Simply stating "the rooks kill more" is a gross oversimplification of the matter and doesn't take into account all the reasons WHY.

SHawk for example, has a very high rank and kill/death ratio, but most pilots when they catch him without his 10 escorts have been able to kill him quite easily.

Rooks usually come in from the stratosphere, in great numbers, and bounce/vulch cons on the deck, and run the second anybody comes in from another field with enough alt to contest their presence.

That is really a lack of skill being rewarded, more than showing they HAVE skill.

Bish tend to spread out, they have their hordes (as do knits at times), and usually tend to fight it out when engaged. They like their missions, that's for sure.

Knits... well knits are annoying as hell at times. Herding cats would be easier. As a team they leave a LOT to be desired. I'm flying knits for squadron consideration, but before joining this squad I did rotate. I hold no loyalty to an arbitrary chess piece. We can come in low or high (to be fair most I see seem to be mid-range, 8-12k or lower), and sometimes we can horde but generally it's not because of giant missions intended to smash opposition, it's more like a flash mob.

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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2009, 12:13:05 PM »
Was never meant to explain anything.


So....your reason for posting it, was?


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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2009, 12:18:31 PM »

So....your reason for posting it, was?



I found it notable, and maybe of interest in a discussion where some say "there are none" differences and some say "there are"
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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2009, 12:21:17 PM »
SHawk for example, has a very high rank and kill/death ratio, but most pilots when they catch him without his 10 escorts have been able to kill him quite easily.

I disagree.  Shawk doesn't need 10 escorts.  He and I went to a base (He C-hog and I in a D-hog) and landed 10 or more a piece multiple times

Rooks usually come in from the stratosphere, in great numbers, and bounce/vulch cons on the deck, and run the second anybody comes in from another field with enough alt to contest their presence.

Can be said for all three countries

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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2009, 01:02:05 PM »
Viewing Lusche's graph:

If we saw a consistency of those same relative k/d values over several years, wouldn't that suggest some consistent player base for each country that is determining its performance over the years?


I wonder how (if at all) country allegiance might be related to a player's real life chess-playing experience.


In chess scoring:

Queen     =  13

ROOK      =   5

BISHOP  =   3

KNIGHT   =   3  (equal to Bishop, though some rate Knights at  3.25 because of superior maneuverability)

Pawn      =   1

Now:

Do the math.

On Lusche's k/d values, the numbers roughly show a 5:3 ROOK  ratio to KNIGHTS-BISHOPS!

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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2009, 01:22:09 PM »
Viewing Lusche's graph:
If we saw a consistency of those same relative k/d values over several years, wouldn't that suggest some consistent player base for each country that is determining its performance over the years?

But things change a lot in Aces High. Player base changed tremendously over the years. Only a tiny percentage of players is still here since '99. Players come, players go, allegiances shift, gamplay changed and so on.
Considering all that, I really don't believe country "traditions" are that strong in Aces High that they are the sole reason for this K/D anomaly for the whole 10 years of Aces High.
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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2009, 02:20:12 PM »

SHawk for example, has a very high rank and kill/death ratio, but most pilots when they catch him without his 10 escorts have been able to kill him quite easily.

We refer to his escorts as his cabana boys.

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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2009, 02:22:04 PM »
 Its funny Lusche is correct I believe , about how things change . This game is fluid and although the changes occur with time they do occur . Now when I started a couple of years ago Knights had numbers and won lots of wars , and the big gripe then was how ENY is a sham. Now Knights have fewer numbers and defend IMO bases very well because we have to with low numbers. Soon there will be another shift and so on and so on , its the nature of the game . As a member of Precision we went on tour and changed country's and found the experience to be enjoyable really and we met lots of nice people in the other two country's . But they are basically the same , to me anyways .
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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2009, 02:54:35 PM »
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Lol i meant to say Monkeys

And with the other chess pieces the should be a "Pawn" country reserved for 2 weekers.

P.S. I used spell check this time.
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Re: Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2009, 05:40:56 PM »
BTW, I tend to dismiss any voiced opinions about that matter by players being proud of sticking to their home chesspiece from start.
If you never left rooks, chances are good your statements about knight & bish are just biased crap   :P

\ this must explain why I never see you fly bish lusche..

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