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« on: March 02, 2009, 09:24:57 PM »
Hey guys, I am looking at the AR15's and well.... there are sooooo many to choose from!!!

I have narrowed what I want down to be AR15 in the .223 caliber but... which company should I buy from?

I was watching the youtube video of the Bushmaster Preditor, and well, it looked liked it jammed terribly often, was that just because of a bad ammo choice or was it the gun?

next, which .223 ammo do you find to be the best quality? Is there any cheap, good quality .223 ammo out there?

Do any of yall own AR15's? if so what do you have and are you happy with it?

thanks for the help!



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Re: gun selection help
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 10:14:49 PM »
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Re: gun selection help
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2009, 07:12:27 AM »
Are you buying a 5.56 NATO or a Rem .223 caliber rifle?

There is a big enough difference in the 2 rounds that a gun can blow up in your face.

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Re: gun selection help
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2009, 07:30:00 AM »
Are you buying a 5.56 NATO or a Rem .223 caliber rifle?

There is a big enough difference in the 2 rounds that a gun can blow up in your face.

http://www.hornadyle.com/faq/index.php?qIdx=3





that I haven't decided yet,

which rounds work better in your opinion?





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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2009, 08:01:18 AM »
Look at a DPMS Panther Arms, an Armalite, and a Bushmaster. All of them make a nice weapon, at a decent price.

Get the 5.56 NATO chamber. You're not going to end up with a 14" barrel anyway, and a 5.56 NATO chamber in a 16" or 18" barrel will fire either round, and function reliably. It will probably not shoot regular .223 Remington ammunition as accurately, but you will be able to chamber and fire either one, and you can get surplus 5.56 NATO amunition, provided you look around and shop.
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Re: gun selection help
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 09:07:46 AM »
I received an email this morning with the following links:

Stripped Lower
http://essentialarms.com/ieLOWERSANDPARTS.HTML

AR Kit
http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Rifle_Kits_16_s/57.htm

You can do a base model for under $600 and read the reviews....pretty good.  I will be ordering soon.

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2009, 09:41:59 AM »
thanks for the help guys  :) :)







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Re: gun selection help
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 02:12:09 PM »
I have narrowed what I want down to be AR15 in the .223 caliber but... which company should I buy from?

If you get a .223 AR rifle you may have problems firing 5.56mm rounds. But if you get a 5.56mm you likely will not have problems firing .223. Consider 5.56mm is slightly more powerful than .223. It also seems to be slightly cheaper right now.

But, why are you buying an AR-15 anyway? Ammo prices for 5.56mm are so high right now becuase of the war and the fact it is the most common ammo. You will be paying $200-250 for 1000 rounds.

Are you buying this just for plinking, for hunting, for home defense, or for the full on survival/SHTF/when the zombies come scenarios? Or like most of us, a little of each? I would argue there are better weapons for each individual case, and a single rifle that can do them all, both more effectively and more affordably than the AR.

-For plinking you can find much cheaper caliber guns that are just as much fun to shoot.

-For hunting the 5.56mm is just not enough energy except for small game.

-For close range home defense you are better off with many other types of weapons. IMHO for in home defense the best weapon hands down is a short barreled 12g shotgun, and just about every military and police force in the world agree.

-For full on survival, when you may be required to use a weapon to feed yourself AND protect yourself, the 5.56 is again just not enough of a round in my opinion, especially if/when you are by yourself.

The AR-15/M16 was designed around the 5.56 round so more rounds could be carried. It was designed for specific battle situations when suppressive fire is used. In many battles it was found that having cover fire in massive amounts was very effective at pinning down the enemy until you could out maneuver them or otherwise gain an advantage. Its also accurate to fairly long distances, but the stopping power drops off rapidly.

Chances are in any home defense or dooms day scenarios, you will never be in a position like this. Going in Rambo style laying down heavy fire will probably get you killed quicker than anything. Situations you encounter will likely not be anything like the battles we see in wars. If you want to survive you'll do everything you can to avoid a firefight. Shooting people at more than 100 meters is also unlikely in a non-military type defense situation, but shooting big game at that range might be required often. In these more realistic situations, it would be better to have a weapon that is very effective at taking down all targets at all ranges.

Personally I would recommend getting something like a M1 Garand or M1A. Use the money you save on your first few cases of ammo to buy some good optics, and you'll have an ultra reliable battle rifle that is cheaper to shoot and a lot more effective in a realistic real life scenario than an AR-15. If the SHTF you'll be able to feed your family by taking down almost any animal in North America, and you'll be able to drop tangos with one shot. Ammo for either one is slightly more affordable than the AR, but more importantly drastically more effective than 5.56mm, meaning your supply will last longer when you need it the most.
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2009, 03:09:29 PM »
I bought a Smith & Wesson M&P AR-15A a year ago and I love it. It was one of the higher end models at the time costing around $1,300 total but still less than a Colt model. The one I have is the carbine version with the fully collapsible stock and 16 inch barrel I believe..

So far I have fired around 800 rounds through it without any problems. It is light and accurate even with the stock peep sights on it. I plan to get an ACOG or an Eo Tech sight eventually but I can still nail any target with the iron sights, another cool option is that it came with the rail system on top instead of the traditional carrying handle and the existing sight can slide right on or off allowing for a quick scope mounting.

As far as ammo, I bought 1,000 rounds of Lellier & Bellot (Czech ammo) .223 55 grain FMJ rounds at an Army/Navy store and it has worked out just fine. The only problem is that you have to clean the weapon every time you shoot it much like any other AR-15/M-16 rifle. Gas blowback systems really do blow.

All in all, I prefer my rifle over any of the ones my friends have such as DPMS and Bushmaster brands. It feels very solid and doesn't make the "pinging" noise most others do when it is fired. Its the closest civilian model weapon I have fired so far that matches up to the ones we use in the Army.
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Re: gun selection help
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2009, 03:11:01 PM »
Get an AR-10, same action and all but in .308. Bigger = Better :)
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2009, 04:00:16 PM »
The AR-10 is cool too, but a little harder to find parts and magazines.

If you want a battle rifle, just get a big gun that leaves you with enough money to buy plenty of ammo, and you can't go wrong. In a self defense or even Armageddon type situation, those two factors alone will likely outweigh everything else.

If you just want something fun to plink with, there are a number of .22 battlerifle-like auto loaders that are a blast to shoot, and ammo will cost you less than 1/10th of anything else we are talking about.
 
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2009, 04:26:24 PM »
I was planning on buying the 5x56 or the .223 ar15 just for fun, something to run around with for shooting  poo up, seems like a fun plinker, yea I don't beleive in any of that doomsday crap

does anyone know if that new R-15  remington is worth buying? seems like a nice rifle too






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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2009, 04:40:46 PM »
I was planning on buying the 5x56 or the .223 ar15 just for fun, something to run around with for shooting  poo up, seems like a fun plinker,

Maybe you missed what I said earlier, I'll try to be more clear.

The AR-15 is just a poor choice as a plinker because of recent ammo prices. This was not the case in the recent past, when you could still find bulk 5.56NATO ammo very cheap.

Most of the information you are reading that recommends the AR-15 for plinking or general use is probably outdated, written before the recent drastic price increases.

Every time you shoot the AR-15 its going to cost you about quarter, probably even more soon. That doesn't sound like a very fun "plinker" to me.



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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2009, 04:56:24 PM »
For a simple plinker, I'd suggest getting one of the AK series that's been rechambered to fire .22LR or a similar plinking round. They aren't all that expensive, and it looks a lot cooler than a marlin .22 when you shoot it. :)
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2009, 05:15:38 PM »
For a simple plinker, I'd suggest getting one of the AK series that's been rechambered to fire .22LR or a similar plinking round. They aren't all that expensive, and it looks a lot cooler than a marlin .22 when you shoot it. :)


do you have a link to it?

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