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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #105 on: March 09, 2009, 09:10:21 AM »

Bomber didnt drop ord at 280mph. 

With an IAS of 150mph at 25,000' the true airspeed is about 225 (assuming I remember how to calculate TAS).  With a bit of tailwind I can see ground speeds of 300mph or more being likely.
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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #106 on: March 09, 2009, 12:28:58 PM »
Yadda, yadda, yadda.

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This gives me an idea. 

Why not have dar rings expand with altitude?

While not absolutely "realistic" it might improve gameplay some - especially with respect to buffs.

Regular dar bar up to say 10K and expanding by say... a couple miles each 1K over that until, theoretically speaking, a 35K buff would be visible on dar from 3 sectors away?

Might discourage the strato-spit crowd, too, as an ancillary benefit.

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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #107 on: March 09, 2009, 03:19:29 PM »
And single 190s and La7s didnt make suicide runs into a field to take down one dar and then auger. P38s didnt do the dance of the sugar plum fairies to force an overshoot and 262s didnt gang horde the HQ to strafe it down either.

News Flash: This isnt WWII.

Quite true, but this is a SIMULATION and if the fools in the La7's and 190A-8's want to take their aircraft and eat dirt then let them.  Your arguement is based on the idiocy (or lack of knowledge, talent, or care) of a player using an aircraft withinin its typical performance range and not the abuse of an aircraft's misrepresented performance threshold.  Two very different things.

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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #108 on: March 09, 2009, 04:43:43 PM »
This gives me an idea. 

Why not have dar rings expand with altitude?

While not absolutely "realistic" it might improve gameplay some - especially with respect to buffs.

Regular dar bar up to say 10K and expanding by say... a couple miles each 1K over that until, theoretically speaking, a 35K buff would be visible on dar from 3 sectors away?

Might discourage the strato-spit crowd, too, as an ancillary benefit.

best idea, if you don't want buffs dropping on your base?

fly hi cap. don't let them in. if you suspect that buffs may come in that hi, then be there waiting for them.

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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #109 on: March 09, 2009, 06:50:09 PM »
Didn't read the whole thread...Did anybody tell the OP that "the airing of grievances" is supposed to be done on Dec 23 :D ?

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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #110 on: March 09, 2009, 07:00:13 PM »
Didn't read the whole thread...Did anybody tell the OP that "the airing of grievances" is supposed to be done on Dec 23 :D ?

ooooo you missed an unusaully long one then from ht himself.....look one or two pages back.......BTW.,....i'm just leaving work, and about 1 hour from home....you gonna be in ta tonight? was looking for some 38 guidence. i'm lost on how to fight the little wiggly things that're missing an engine.....short of bnzing them, which i don't want to do.

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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #111 on: March 09, 2009, 07:09:00 PM »
ooooo you missed an unusaully long one then from ht himself

Not really.. that was in a diffent thread ;)
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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #112 on: March 09, 2009, 07:22:29 PM »
Not really.. that was in a diffent thread ;)
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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #113 on: March 09, 2009, 09:59:32 PM »
Not really.. that was in a diffent thread ;)

Yep, and I didn't miss it  ;)

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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #114 on: March 10, 2009, 11:40:47 AM »
best idea, if you don't want buffs dropping on your base?

fly hi cap. don't let them in. if you suspect that buffs may come in that hi, then be there waiting for them.

  :aok

Very time consuming.

Understand Im not trying to discourage bombers from flying at 25K feet, Im just saying it would be a heck of a lot more fun if I had enough warning to get up there and mix it up with them.   :aok

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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #115 on: March 10, 2009, 08:28:06 PM »
Very time consuming.

Understand Im not trying to discourage bombers from flying at 25K feet, Im just saying it would be a heck of a lot more fun if I had enough warning to get up there and mix it up with them.   :aok

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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #116 on: March 10, 2009, 09:15:24 PM »
Can't fly em high, can't fly em low, someone please officially post the correct altitude for every plane!  :rofl
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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #117 on: March 10, 2009, 11:57:31 PM »
"Course, the buff pilots may find they have a heck of a lot more fun when you don't have enough warning to get up there...

If bombing a target unopposed is fun for them, I have some laundry that could use folding.   :aok

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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #118 on: March 11, 2009, 04:38:32 AM »

Time is what the bomber pilot expended to get to altitude. He understood that high altitude is the best refuge. He's using good tactical judgment. His bombers are vulnerable at lower altitudes. He's not gaming the game or abusing the flight model.



Hmmm.

Regularly on this board we have derogatory references to "alt monkeys" in fighters, pilots climbing so high as to practically guarantee they will be able to enter the fight with an energy advantage. Especially common is people speaking of some P-51s/P-47s/P-38s/F4Us flying at "realistic" altitudes as being "crazy high" and "timid". (One wonders exactly what is illogical about airplanes which have the advantage in high-alt performance choosing a high cruising altitude...but I digress).

But when a buff pilot takes advantage of excessive free time, lack of a boredom gene, and  laser-accurate bombing to shut down fights through toolshedding (Lets face it folks, that is the *ENTIRE* purpose of buffing in the MA. You don't do it for the thrill or because 20 minutes of climbing and setting up a bomb run is fun.) at realistic altitudes where they are almost certain to not be intercepted, this is just using good tactics?

For the record, I don't want to take away anybody's ability to climb as high as they wish. However, I might want to take away unrealistically accurate bombing, linked defensive gunfire, and quite possibly, the ability for one player to take 2 spare planes along with him on a sortie without paying anything for it.
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Re: Flight model abuse / grievance
« Reply #119 on: March 11, 2009, 07:05:42 AM »
Regularly on this board we have derogatory references to "alt monkeys" in fighters, pilots climbing so high as to practically guarantee they will be able to enter the fight with an energy advantage. Especially common is people speaking of some P-51s/P-47s/P-38s/F4Us flying at "realistic" altitudes as being "crazy high" and "timid". (One wonders exactly what is illogical about airplanes which have the advantage in high-alt performance choosing a high cruising altitude...but I digress).

But when a buff pilot takes advantage of excessive free time, lack of a boredom gene, and  laser-accurate bombing to shut down fights through toolshedding (Lets face it folks, that is the *ENTIRE* purpose of buffing in the MA. You don't do it for the thrill or because 20 minutes of climbing and setting up a bomb run is fun.) at realistic altitudes where they are almost certain to not be intercepted, this is just using good tactics?

This way of thinking requires to take all that constant "alt monkey timid dweeb" stuff seriously in the first place.

Which I don't. :)


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