Karnak, the comment was made in the late '30s and carried well into the 40s. The entire US mentality of self-defended bombers was so erronous that they almost shut down all daytime bombing because of bomber losses. If the long range US fighters hadn't shown up when they did, our bomber losses would not have been sustainable.
Stoney: Quit trolling. You know the issue at hand and yet bring up examples that don't fit, and waiting for responses that cry "foul!" (basically, you're trolling). A bomber blows an engine so throttles the rest up. Yeah... RIGHT... that really proves your point (insert oldrolleyes here). I've explained why your comments are not realistic or logical and you come back with a troll?
As for the 100BG pilots. Heeeeere we go. I did not bring this up until they started swearing and taunting at me. They're crying foul at me because one of their pilots stick stirred and warped his way out of certain death. It was 100Bull. He was flying level in a p-47 and bouncing left and right, up and down without any change in pitch or orientation, flat spinning while zoom climbing UP. I and several others witnessed his BS. I told him he was as close to cheating as possible and if I had been rolling film he'd have been reported to HTC. I asked the others that saw it and they did not roll film either, but did see it.
***HE*** then proceeded to brag that he truly knew how to fly this plane, and that he was some sort of master (of what I won't say) and he went on repeatedly bragging about how he could take me to the TA and show me how to do the exact same thing with some practice. He was literally climbing while spinning out like a gyro, and recovered higher than he entered, also bouncing up and down and left/right so hard that I (200d behind him, steady, lined up, not closing, kill-shot-ready) couldn't even ping his arse. So far he was bouncing from outside one side of my gunsight to the outside of the opposite side of it. I *REALLY* wish I'd got that on film. It was 100% intentional.
Well, I used PMs but apparently they've been gabbing about it on their forums because whattayaknow here come all the 100s swearing and cussing at me in his defense. I didn't even bring this up, they did otherwise it wouldn't have intruded into a serious issue with AH2's gameplay (bomber performance). I did not whine for an hour about your tactics, as you say. Both of Hooch's posts are antagonistic, hostile, and quite defensive, and quite outside the point of this thread. Bull's post is just plain insulting and defensive, and also has nothing regarding this thread/topic. They ought to be removed from the thread so it may stay on track.
Diehard, you didn't read my previous posts: Unless you happen to be randomly above and in front of any bomber stream in this game, they can more often than not do their deeds and get home before you can kill them. We're not talking DGS (a scenario for other folks, FYI) where you knew what they were, where they were coming, how many they would be, and were already planning to intercept them 20 minutes before you knew they were over your territory. Even in DGS the 190a8s have major issues you don't mention. At 32k they are barely 20mph faster than B17s. They gain maybe 10mph by dropping some more. Making diving attacks on bombers this high just isn't possible in this game. The very act of climbing up to get ABOVE them lets them move so far outside of icon range they are effectively scott-free and have gotten away. Once a bomber is so far away from you he's outside icon range he can change course, rtb, whatever he wants, and thus you've lost him. Letting him get so far away is effectively letting him go.
