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Offline Tac

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« on: January 04, 2001, 07:41:00 AM »
HTC:

Many people here are clamoring for more AC's to be added to the game, however im curious to know if:

Is it easier/shorter time-wise to model a new AC or to add a VARIANT of existing AC's?

If the variant making is shorter/easier (which my deranged logic says it is) would you folks consider adding a lot more variants of the current planeset before adding new AC's?

JU-88 torpedo & cannon fighter variants,
P-38J or F (a P38M would be cool too.. its basically a slightly heavier P-38L with BLACK camo.. wicked cool!)
P-51B
Earlier/older version of the Zeke
B-17F
F4U-4 (perked? heehe Ill get flames for this one)
Earlier/older Lancasters

and possibly adding some new weapons to the current ACM arsenal like NAPALM bombs and Torpedos for other aircraft (aka, Ju-88) and new weapon loadouts (some luftwaffle boys were asking for something like that a while ago I think) and drop tanks for the AC's that had them in ww2 but dont have it in AH.

IMHO, if these changes are easier, they would enchance the game a lot more than one or 2 new AC's. After all, we still burning with the F6F+PTBoat+TBM+Carrier fever... I'd prefer to see more options for the current AC than to see more AC's in the next patch/version/whenever you planned to add the new planes.

Anyone feel like this?

Offline StSanta

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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2001, 07:52:00 AM »
How about giving the LW a real JABO, like the F or G8? That'd be great.



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Offline Westy

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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2001, 08:14:00 AM »
TAC, 1.06 is all about more planes.

I'm just dying to know which ones!  

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2001, 09:09:00 AM »
Uhmm, a G in that case, the F8 was just an A8 with a little more armor and less armement. same loadout.

There was one G model wich could take somehting like 3.900 pounds :-)




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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2001, 09:32:00 AM »
 
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Uhmm, a G in that case, the F8 was just an A8 with a little more armor and less armement. same loadout.

Wrong. A-8 did not have ETC 50 racks below wings, only ETC 501 rack on belly.

 
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There was one G model wich could take somehting like 3.900 pounds :-)

2 X 250 kg SC 250 + 1 X 500 kg SC 500 = 100 kg = about 2000 lbs.

Cant remember if G-3 was able to carry 1 X 1800 kg SC 1800, maybe 1000 kg SC 1000.

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2001, 09:37:00 AM »
Oops, almost sidetracked the thread!

Fw 190F-8 would be nice, only new skin, wing hardpoints and loadout options. It would be hugely more useful plane for jabo work than current A's.

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2001, 09:58:00 AM »
me410 is what we need  

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2001, 10:32:00 AM »
Animal, HTC would have to spend an entire version just to add the Me-410 and most of the options. Here's the armament list for the Me-410 as I know it:

 
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Standard armament:
2x MG-151/20 cannons with 350 rounds each
2x MG-17 guns with 1,000 rounds each
2x MG-131 guns with 500 rounds each, mounted in barbettes; one on either side of the aft fuselage.

Me-410 Rustsatz kits: added in addition of standard armament except where noted.

B6-R2: 2, Mk 108 30mm cannons in the bomb bay. Aircraft fitted with Zaunkonig radar in the nose. All normal nose armament deleted.
R2: 2, 30mm Mk. 108 cannons in the bomb bay in addition to normal armament.
R3: 2, 30mm Mk. 103 cannons in the bomb bay in addition to normal armament.
R4: 2, 20mm M.G. 151/20 20mm cannons in the bomb bay, 2 M.G. 151/20 20mm cannons in a pod on the belly behind the bomb bay in addition to normal armament.
U2-R5: 4, M.G. 151/20 20mm cannons in the bomb bay, 2 M.G. 17 7.92mm machine guns in the nose in addition to normal armament
R6: 2, M.G. 151/20 20mm cannons in the bomb bay in addition to normal armament.
B2-U4: 1, Bk 5 50mm cannon in the bomb bay. M.G. 17 machine guns deleted. Occasionally a Bk 3.7 37mm cannon replaced the Bk 5.
R7: All nose armament deleted in favor of reconnaissance cameras.
B-5: Tail guns replaced by a 187 gal. fuel tank. Additional fuel tank mounted in bomb bay. All ordinance carried externally.
Single 1,000kg SB 1000/410 bomb.
Single LT 5b torpedo [1,984 lbs].
Single LT 5i torpedo [1,675 lbs].
2x BT 200 or BT 400 torpedoes.
Single SC 1800 bomb.
Single 780kg SB 800 RS Kurt bomb.
B-1: M.G. 17 machine guns replaced with M.G. 131 guns
B1-U2: M.G. 17 machine guns replaced by M.G. 131 guns. 2, M.G. 151/20 20mm cannons installed in the bomb bay.
B-2/U-2: M.G. 17 machine guns removed. WB containers installed in the bomb bay. Options included:
2x 30mm Mk 108 cannons
2x 30mm Mk 103 cannons
4x 20mm M.G. 151/20 cannons


External ordinance:
2x 300 liter drop tanks
4x WGr. 21 rockets
6x 40mm 39M rockets
2x 250 or 500kg bombs

Typical bomb loads [internal]:
8x 50kg
2x 250kg
2x 500kg

Most of the M.G. 151/20 gun options had 250 rounds per gun. One had 350 rounds per gun, but I can't remember which. Note the R3 option: 2, 30mm Mk 103 cannons...

There is a famous picture of a revolving rocket launcher in the nose of a Me-410. That was a test aircraft. That load-out option was never mass produced due to extensive airframe damage suffered while test firing. All further tests were abandoned.


The ultimate in load-out options.

Most of the bombs and rockets used in the Luftwaffe are listed with specs here:
 http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/bombs.html

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2001, 11:19:00 AM »
 Some early/mid war varients would be nice to have-but IMO we need some new models for scenario use.

 I would like to see more U.S. & Japanese land/carrier based aircraft for PAC events in the SEA.

 When the new editor arrives it will be very easy to build historical PAC  terrains since they are mostly water.  

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Offline Tac

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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2001, 11:27:00 AM »
*swings his SHVAK cannon around the room*

AAUGH you hijackers! Dont turn this into "what plane I want to see next version" thread!  

Hitech, Pyro... care to comment? *swings a bottle of fine scotch as lure*

*grin*


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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2001, 01:04:00 PM »
"Despite its later designation, the Fw 190G preceded the Fw 190F, and was in essence the production version of the Fw 190A-4/U8 and Fw 190A-5/U3. The extra range required in this model was provided in part by the sacrifice of the two fuselage mounted machine guns to leave the two 20mm MG 151/20 cannon in the wing roots as the only fixed armament, and in part by the provision of attachments for two 79.25 US gal (300 liter) drop tanks under the wings."

Essentially, the G-8 was intended to be a long-range fighter-bomber or jabo, they were usually equipped with 2 wing mounted 300 liter drop tanks when on missions. Production of the G series stopped in the Spring of 1944 essentially because the LW ceased it's long range missions in the Spring. It now favored the F series for attack missions, since a long-range fighter bomber was not needed.

The F-8 would be a much better choice than the G-8, a) later R(Ruestaze) and U (umrust-baustaze; field and factory conversion sets, respectivly) designations of the F-8 allowed it to carry the same load as the G-8, also panzerblitz1&2 and R4M rocketsb) We have the chance of getting the Galland-haube canopy. d)It's faster.


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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2001, 01:29:00 PM »
It would be nice to have the Fw-190F-8 with the Galland hood though.  

I too can't wait to see what planes they add next. I'm really looking forward to more multi-engine aircraft being thrown into the mix as well.

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2001, 04:21:00 PM »
I really think that we need the Devastator for CV scenarios.

The competitive CV battles (and there were only FOUR of those...Coral Sea, Midway, and then two near Guadalacanal..the war in the Pacific was NOT a war of CVs battling each other) all were early in the war, and were before the fleet could totally get rid of their Devastators.

Back in WB, I remember the US used to ALWAYS win the CV battles. The Wildcats, surprisingly, almost always beat the Zeros, the Dauntlesses could carry 1000 lbers and the Vals couldn't, and the US had Avengers which are infinately more capable and survivable than Devastors.

Without the US having Devastators the CV battle scenario that we will inevitably have will never be balanced.

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2001, 06:51:00 PM »
Forget the devastator... in any scenario as in RL it will be devastated... barely able to maintain 200mph (cruising speed 128mph)..  scenarios or not a waste of time...


Of course the B5N2 (Kate) could carry a 1,700 lb bomb or a torp...  Dunno if they ever carried bombs like that after pearl though...


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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2001, 08:20:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by SKurj:
Forget the devastator... in any scenario as in RL it will be devastated... barely able to maintain 200mph (cruising speed 128mph)..  scenarios or not a waste of time...


Of course the B5N2 (Kate) could carry a 1,700 lb bomb or a torp...  Dunno if they ever carried bombs like that after pearl though...


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Meanwhile the SB2C would rule to bomber bracket with it's twin Hispanos. <g,d,r>