Early-mid war aircraft .... how?

[gatt]

HTC is going to introduce more 1941-43 variants, if I'm not wrong. I'm an early-mid war fan but ... how can you introduce an early war plane set without a good Rolling Plane Set? And how can a perk-system live with early-mid a/c? Just out of curiosity.

[Jochen]

I think early/mid war planes will be high perk point generators ie. almost nobody flies them and they will have high ENY value. This might get good pilots to fly them and add more variety to arena.

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jochen Gefectsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5

Sieg oder bolsevismus!

[oboe]

What do you think the ENY value would be for a PZL.11 or Seversky P-35A?   100 or more?

If we are going back to earlier war a/c, let me be the first to bang the P-40's drum!  Plenty of variants to model there!

I suspect a P-40N would almost be competitive with an MC.202.   Still, it'd be great to see a Warhawk in AH.

[Tac]

I think the best solution is to leave the early-mid war planes as non-perks and the late war planes be "cheap" perks.

I'd love to see lots of early-mid war planes all the time in the MA, and its highly possible that most peope will not fly the early/late war planes that much if they know they will be facing late war planes that almost literally perform twice as well as the early/mid war AC's.

On the other hand, this may also help to "burn" perk points so that we dont see people flying the current uber rides to kill lots of early war planes so they can get perks to fly the me-262 or their likes and become uber gods.

am I making sense?  

[Torgo]

This is why I think perk points are a pretty lame substitute for an RPS. I think perk points would be a pretty neat COMPLIMENT to an RPS..even perking some late war planes that showed up early in small quanities early in an RPS, and then UNPERKING them as the RPS rolled along. And leaving some late war AC that never occured in large numbers as permanent perks, but only avaliable when 1945 rolled around.

But it's pretty clear from the statements of HTC, searching the BBS, that perk points are a substitute for an RPS and they seem to have no plans for an RPS.

I simply don't see how, no matter how many points you give it, a Spit I or a P-40 is going to be flyable in any way in the MA.

And we aren't going to get an RPS, likely because of fanatical intensity with which a minority of people will hate it and complain about it (as they did in WB.)

"I pay $20 a month and I have the RIGHT to fly ANY plane ANY time I WANT and (I/my anal-retentive squad) ONLY fly (insert late war uberplane here) and I want a REFUND for all the time (insert late war uberplane) is unavaliable!"

Of course, this ignores the fact that a non-RPS essentially denies the right of someone whos favorite plane is the P-40 or D.520 to fly it, ever.

[This message has been edited by Torgo (edited 01-05-2001).]

[leonid]

Well, since there will be no RPS the only choice is like jochen says.  Why not something like:

• 1940,1941: 4x the value
• 1942,1943: 3x the value
• 1944: 2x the value
• 1945: 1x the value

[ra]

The C.202 is probably better than most early war planes we will get, and even it can't compete in the MA.  If we get some really cool early war stuff like a MS-406 or a Curtiss Hawk, they will just sit in the hangar.   We need to start building some kind of alternative to the die-fast furball we currently have if we are going to have a use for these planes.  

We either need a rolling planeset or an historical arena where the early planes can fight without Chogs ruining the fun.  Lately the MA has been pretty crowded, maybe AH has become popular enough to support an HA.

ra

[Pyro]

It really depends on a lot of things.  First, we have to build the planes which takes time and is not a process we can do in one shot.  So even if we have to introduce planes that are currently worthless other than for events, it still needs to be done but having them for events still makes them worthwhile.  Second, having an RPS is not out of the question and it could still work, and work even better IMO,  with the perk system.  It's not my preference but all this really comes down to building the player base up to the point where we don't have to have a main arena but can support multiple venues simultaneously and not have to have a one size fits all main arena.



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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

[Dos Equis]

 

Originally posted by Pyro:
It really depends on a lot of things.  First, we have to build the planes which takes time and is not a process we can do in one shot.  So even if we have to introduce planes that are currently worthless other than for events, it still needs to be done but having them for events still makes them worthwhile.  Second, having an RPS is not out of the question and it could still work, and work even better IMO,  with the perk system.  It's not my preference but all this really comes down to building the player base up to the point where we don't have to have a main arena but can support multiple venues simultaneously and not have to have a one size fits all main arena.

Ok, so everyone get everyone you know who has a computer to get an AH account! I would love an RPS.

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[Torque]

Everyone knows that you can't have any kind of RPS setup without the Hurri II.

[-tronski-]

IMHO i think a RPS is a much more "fairer" system.

It'll give the chance to fly a mid/early war a/c without being completely outclassed by a perked a/c, and also give the chance for the one/two sorties a month guys (like yours truly) to actually get to fly them online.

But perhaps the suggestion of having both is a good solution if the perk system HAS to be used. Perk points to buy a/c that were flown in small numbers.

I personally vote for a P-40K/E, RNZAF marked of course

-tronski-
486 Sqn (NZ), "Hiwa hau Maka"

[gatt]

I'd love to see a good RPS implemented and .... Torque the Hurry IIc is slooow, not blue and not ugly    

[Torgo]

This is VERY encouraging.

Glad to know an RPS isn't out of the question.

And I could see how it could be a great COMPLEMENT to an RPS.

Many of the late war rides actually sort of "trickled" into combat service over a long period...that is, a squadron or two or a few prototypes saw combat, had problems, were withdrawn from service, tinkered with, and turned up in large numbers a REALLY long time after their "first" combat.

I THINK the Typhoon was like this (but not sure) it was around in 1942 a bit? Need to check. But didn't show up in big numbers till later.

One could have such an AC "perked" in 1942 and "unperked" later in the RPS.  It certainly would be too dominant for 42.

Same goes for the FW190..if you allow FWs in at the exact FIRST moment the first one saw combat you really get uberplane problems..but if it comes in the RPS perked at a high cost, then get the cost reduced, then unperk it when it has some respectable competition, life is better.

However, I really hate the proliferation of arenas concept. I really like the one big community MA, and then special events otherwise. I find a bunch of different arenas in different time periods or with different settings really distasteful...and you run the risk of having a bunch of arenas where you can't really have much of a fight.

[-towd_]

still remember the what was it 8 arenas in aw and you couldent get in half the time . the 30 buck thing is holding numbers way down .  yall do what you want but seems like a 50 % reduction in price would cause a 8 fold increase in players . but i bet you have already thought of that .

[Dos Equis]

 

Originally posted by Torgo:
This is VERY encouraging.
Same goes for the FW190..if you allow FWs in at the exact FIRST moment the first one saw combat you really get uberplane problems..but if it comes in the RPS perked at a high cost, then get the cost reduced, then unperk it when it has some respectable competition, life is better.
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I agree with this, I think this is maybe what they have in mind.

Planes can be "peak" perked, they're introduction mitigated by perk points until they reached numbers that made them effective in the war. And for the planes that never saw great production #s, perk them all the time, just at varying perk rates, depending at what point you are in the timeline.

Anything that would allow for planes like the Hurricane to actually be viable in the MA, even for a limited time, would be welcome. I remember when the P-40 in WB would come out and you could dominate in it for about a day.

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