Fw190

[Saurdaukar]

The only German fighter that can hang with the Spit16 in a stall fight like that is the 109F-4.

The 109G2 can "hang" with a Spit16.

A 109F4 will eat the 16's lunch, time after time.

[Hajo]

I prefer the A8.  The roll rate gives it  opportunity to change direction in less then a heartbeat.

I've flown it more this tour then any tour I can remember in a long time.

The A8 was my favorite ride long ago in AW.

Still like it a great deal.

[MjTalon]

The average Spit16 pilot probably doesn't know what flaps are, to say nothing of actually using them in combat. So if a Spit16 drops flaps you are not fighting an average Spit16 driver. Flaps down a Spit16 will fly circles around an A-5. The only German fighter that can hang with the Spit16 in a stall fight like that is the 109F-4.

Have you actually flown every german A/C and know their limits and what they can actually do? If not then that last sentence has little credibility.

[Lusche]

Have you actually flown every german A/C and know their limits and what they can actually do? If not then that last sentence has little credibility.

I did and I agree with DieHard.

The Spit 16 seriously outperforms the A5 in terms of turn radius and turn rate, both with and without flaps. (Spit without flaps still has smaller absolute turn radius than A5 with full flaps). It's much better accelerating and has better climb rate. Speed is very similar. A5 rolls better than a spit 16, but then this advantage takes a lot of experience and skill to exploit.

[Anaxogoras]

The average Spit16 pilot probably doesn't know what flaps are, to say nothing of actually using them in combat. So if a Spit16 drops flaps you are not fighting an average Spit16 driver. Flaps down a Spit16 will fly circles around an A-5. The only German fighter that can hang with the Spit16 in a stall fight like that is the 109F-4.

Tell that to all of the XVI's that die after starting an attack from the 6 o'clock position of my 109G-6.

[Lusche]

Tell that to all of the XVI's that die after starting an attack from the 6 o'clock position of my 109G-6.

Tell that to the pilots... not to the planes...

[Kotari]

No, do not tell that to them ever. Thank you.
I´ve just started to win against spixteens in 109´s, and you are going to go educate them... dude are you serious ? 

To be abit more serious in the matter... i´d say it takes alot of skill to win a co-e bout against spits in either 190A´s or 109G´s.
I´d say that most of the spit jockeys don´t even grasp how much it takes skill to fly actually something else than those starwars fighters, they are just happy to go the easy way... and boast around how great they are at it.

I think we should have a soundpack ingame, where all spits have TIE-fighter sound 

[Anaxogoras]

No, do not tell that to them ever. Thank you.
I´ve just started to win against spixteens in 109´s, and you are going to go educate them... dude are you serious ? 

To be abit more serious in the matter... i´d say it takes alot of skill to win a co-e bout against spits in either 190A´s or 109G´s.
I´d say that most of the spit jockeys don´t even grasp how much it takes skill to fly actually something else than those starwars fighters, they are just happy to go the easy way... and boast around how great they are at it.

I think we should have a soundpack ingame, where all spits have TIE-fighter sound 

Oh yeah, let's turn this into a Spit-pilot bashing thread.

There is some truth to what you say, however.  The little bit of stick-time I have in Spits taught me this: point your lift-vector at the bandit, pull back on the stick, when you're lined up fire a little squirt of 20mm and he's dead.

[RTHolmes]

if only it was that easy

[BaldEagl]

Have you actually flown every german A/C and know their limits and what they can actually do? If not then that last sentence has little credibility.

Yes, I have plus every other plane in the plane set.  The 109F-4 and maybe the 109E-4 are the only German planes that are a straight match-up for a Spit in a stall fight.  The G2 can play an E game and maybe win occasionally.

A decent pilot in an F-4 should beat a Spit XVI almost every time.  If they don't they'll at least give the XVI a tough go of it.  I love flying that match-up as the XVI driver.

Of course there are guys like Agent who handles the K-4 pretty well but even he's never beat me while I was in a Spit.

190's?  Not a chance unless the Spit pilot's on his two week free trial.

[Anaxogoras]

A decent pilot in an F-4 should beat a Spit XVI almost every time.  If they don't they'll at least give the XVI a tough go of it.  I love flying that match-up as the XVI driver.

Only if the Spit pilot doesn't use his superior climb-rate, acceleration, and speed: if he does than the 109F-4 is easy to beat.  But it's 1 in a 100 that a Spit pilot does something other than rely on turn rate.

Let's face it.  The XVI is an easy-mode plane that stunts the ACM growth of a huge chunk of the AH player-base.

[BaldEagl]

Only if the Spit pilot doesn't use his superior climb-rate, acceleration, and speed

Those are difficult assets to use once the fights gotten slow and dirty.

[moot]

No they're not.

[humble]

Got to chip in my 2 pennies here...

I am not a great 109 driver but I'm far far above average in the F4/G2. While the F4 is dominant to the spitV and the G2 to the spitIX we have anyone who thinks an F4 or G2 is dominant vs a Spit XVI hasn't ever run into a decent spixteen driver. The F4/G2 can certainly win the fight however it needs to be via a "midgame fork" that misdirects the spitty. Neither 109 can win an endgame vs the XVI. Thats just a statement of fact. Obviously pilot quality is a big factor here, most spit drivers are sadly deficient....

As for the A5, anyone who thinks that they beat a spit XVI on anything other then pilot error is delusional. Now again relative pilot skill is the big variable. I can beat about 50% (or more) of the spit/la-7 drivers in the game in a clean merge at 7k in an SBD...by contrast I'd say I can beat less then 25% of the 109/190 drivers. The reality is that those pilots have a better grasp of both ACM and plane limitations and fly a better fight.

So the 1st thing to understand is that 50% of the spit drivers you meet died before you got there and just didnt know it till you told them. The other 50% are broken into a roughly 35/15 mix IMO with 35% being plane dependent in there (stick to belly types)...however the 15% that can fly +/-E and "3D" are a very formidable bunch in combination with the spitty.

[BaldEagl]

No they're not.

I should have said sometimes.