How do ya use gunsight for panzer main gun?

[ArkanReb]

Well the topic says it all.I looked around the site for any explanation and couldn't find one.I checked out the main gun sight and couldn't figure out the catch here.Anyone know?

[flakbait]

Hit the "z" key and then zoom in/out using the "[" and "]" keys. You can do this in ANY view, including gunner positions on bombers. I find the new tank sight more than restrictive, but the zoomed-in view kicks butt. I'm getting rounds on target a LOT faster than before.

Flakbait
"Disorder came from order, fear came from courage, weakness came from strength."
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[ra]

I think the question is: How do you get range info through the new gunsite?

[ArkanReb]

Thankyou for the replies.Ra is correct-Flackbait how do you figure out range to target with the new site is my question.

[RotBaron]

Old thread, same question.

I've played enough now that I can somewhat accurately guess and I do get kills, however I get killed a lot more. Often enemies kill me with one shot. Obviously if I have to range with my first couple shots I'm at a severe disadvantage here. I've read about custom gunsights, I searched the forum, but didn't find any specifically for the Pz IV's. The other tanks sites I find to be more helpful, but I'm still ranging. The Panzer sites don't make any sense to me. Please help.

TIA,
Rot

[Tank-Ace]

You can't make custom sights for the tanks.

The German sights are actually the best optics in the game. The main triangle is the apparent size of a 2m target at 1000m. The smaller triangles are the apparent size of a 1m target. Using this, you can mathematically calculate the range of a target of a known size based on the ratio of the apparent size of the target relative to the size of the triangle.



Google "Zeiss Panzer sight" its the first hit.

[JimmyD3]

  TankAce, great site and great write up. Thanks for sharing the info.

 

[SmokinLoon]

The German sights are actually the best optics in the game. The main triangle is the apparent size of a 2m target at 1000m. The smaller triangles are the apparent size of a 1m target. Using this, you can mathematically calculate the range of a target of a known size based on the ratio of the apparent size of the target relative to the size of the triangle.

Google "Zeiss Panzer sight" its the first hit.

Yes indeed.  The German sights are the best in the game, no doubt.  It is good to see that HTC modeled the quality of the optics and not just the sight reticule.  Truthfully though, I think HTC has given the other countries too much credit especially the US tanks.   Once you learn the "Mili-Radian" formula, and are able to compute it in your head without looking up the dimensions of the enemy tank in the sights, at the worst your second shot will be on target.  I took the time to look up each GV's dimension in AH and made a spread sheet.  I used to have to look up each tank (if I had the time), but now I know the basics and like I said... usually at worst the second shot is on target.  Doesnt mean I get the kill, it just means I have the enemy tank zeroed in.   

You can use the length, width, or height to compute the ranges.  The height is the most difficult to use in AH to gauge distance so I usually use the length/width or the ratios when they are facing me at an angle other than perfectly parallel or perpendicular.   

For instance, if *any* of the M4's or T34's are directly facing you and they are half as big as the base on the big triangle (or they fill up the base of a small triangle), that tank is 1500 yards away give or take 75 yards.  If the enemy tank is a Panther and it is "2 mils wide" (half the base of the large triangle or the full length of the base of a small triangle), then it is roughly 1875 yards away give or take a few yards.  When the Tiger is "2 mils" wide it is roughly 2000 yards away.  If the M8 is "2 mils" wide, it is just shy of 1400 yards out. Again, these are all enemy gv's facing you perfectly parallel.   

Be able to identify the enemy tank, know the dimensions of the enemy tank (or be able to look them up quickly, this is where spreadsheets are good), gauge the size of it as close as possible in the "Mili-Radian" sight, dial it in and then send your love down range.     

[MK-84]

Here you are!

http://www.75thguards.com/ww2online/downloads/Zheriz_Ziess_Sight_Guide.pdf

This explains simply and effectively how the German Zeiss sights work in game for us.

edit: spelling

[Karnak]

I prefer the German sights and the T-34/85's sight.

That said, I really, really suck in tanks nowadays.

[Scotty55OEFVet]

Unless you are one of our resident "GV Gods" such as Butcher, Flk4, Wappo, etc, you are going to find that you have to fire at least a round or two to range your target. I also use mainly the Panzer, Panther, and T34/85 because of this sight. If anything, ask on range or in the text buffer and if someone is nice enough (which is rare when 5-6 guys are tryin to kill the same baddie) they may give ya a shout out on what range they think the baddie in question is at and then u can go from there.

[SmokinLoon]

Unless you are one of our resident "GV Gods" such as Butcher, Flk4, Wappo, etc, you are going to find that you have to fire at least a round or two to range your target. I also use mainly the Panzer, Panther, and T34/85 because of this sight. If anything, ask on range or in the text buffer and if someone is nice enough (which is rare when 5-6 guys are tryin to kill the same baddie) they may give ya a shout out on what range they think the baddie in question is at and then u can go from there.

"GV Gods".... LOL!  LOLOLOLOL!!!!!  The absolute best shot in AH is by far dr7.  Most of the rest are panty waste camp tards who think that being able to land XYZ  number of kills while camping the spawn point inside 1000 yards = "skillz".  There are even a few who play their own trumpet and would like everyone to think they are all that, they know who they are. 

Also, keep in mind that the T34/85 has LESS AP ability than the M4/76mm (M18 too), Panzer IV H, Tiger, Panther, Firefly, and King Tiger.  Also, you can see the enemy target much further out in a Panzer IV H thanks to MUCH better optics. Oh, and the trajectory is flatter too.  I'm not even certain what the Soviets used for a formula (if any) with their improved sight on the T34/85.   

If you learn the German "Mili-Radian" technique, you wont need to rely on anyone else for ranging.  Period. If you want to rule the battlefield then *learn* the sight (formula) and then up a Tiger or Panther (or King Tiger) and keep your distance (1800 yards +) and lay waste to anything that you can see.  Get in to a blocking position between a town and a spawn, get a squaddie on either flank for protection, and you win the day!  Just dont camp, resist the urge to circle jerk with the rest of the campers.

The Firefly has the best zoom in AH (3x-6x), but the lack of numbers in the reticule can sometimes lead to a bit of confusion thanks to the powerful recoil of the 17 Pdr gun.  It certainly is not an easy sight to range with.     

[Tank-Ace]

"GV Gods".... LOL!  LOLOLOLOL!!!!!  The absolute best shot in AH is by far dr7.  Most of the rest are panty waste camp tards who think that being able to land XYZ  number of kills while camping the spawn point inside 1000 yards = "skillz".  There are even a few who play their own trumpet and would like everyone to think they are all that, they know who they are.

Lol, beat me to the punch  . But yes, Dr7 was the best GV'er by a fairly significant margine when I left, although even he needed to fine-tune the range at long distances. I mean its not like a camp, where the targets spawn up within 800yds of each other at a known range.

If you learn the German "Mili-Radian" technique, you wont need to rely on anyone else for ranging.  Period. If you want to rule the battlefield then *learn* the sight (formula) and then up a Tiger or Panther (or King Tiger) and keep your distance (1800 yards +) and lay waste to anything that you can see.  Get in to a blocking position between a town and a spawn, get a squaddie on either flank for protection, and you win the day!  Just dont camp, resist the urge to circle jerk with the rest of the campers.

One other thing I would say, don't rely purely on the number from the mili-radian sight. When I was playing, my gut feel usually got me to within 300yds on the first round. So, check the mili-radian sight, compare to what you think it is, and make your decision from there. But if its significantly different, the mili-radian sight will be the one closer to the correct range unless you did it wrong.

[lunatic1]

you do know that dr7 camps just as much as any other gv'er--how do think he lands so many kills--but yes he is a good shot-he can pretty much range you in a second or three-i'm a knight--and he was a knight when he landed 135 killsdr7.

[SmokinLoon]

you do know that dr7 camps just as much as any other gv'er--how do think he lands so many kills--but yes he is a good shot-he can pretty much range you in a second or three-i'm a knight--and he was a knight when he landed 135 killsdr7.
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He camps his fair share yes.  However, he isn't afraid to roll up to the skirmish line either.  That can't be said for every "tank god".  LOL!  That term still cracks me up.