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Re: I fly With Honor, How About You?
« Reply #105 on: March 27, 2009, 02:08:56 PM »
I hit esc key and was just clicking end sortie when BOOM! DOOM#1 blew me away.
I was so disgusted i just logged.
To me if your the enemy and you landed congrats im not going to blow off the tarmac for my own evil giggle.

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Re: I fly With Honor, How About You?
« Reply #106 on: March 27, 2009, 02:50:48 PM »
the only type of honor I play with is a !!S!! were it is deserved ,and trying my best to check 6 the good guys...I do not ho unless I have to generally. The only reason being is I usually loose those to a terdburgler who is on his 2 week trial :rofl Other than that I will kill anyway I can.By the fastest and most brutal way possible :salute
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Re: I fly With Honor, How About You?
« Reply #107 on: March 27, 2009, 09:28:35 PM »
We could go back and forth on it.  The 190 who found the b17 crippled and flying in the wrong direction?  Came alongside and directed them back to the coast.

War is hell.  No doubt about it.
Wouldn't be much back and forth.  The "Acts of Valor" were notable precisely because they were rare.

For every 109 pilot like Franz Stigler that would escort a cripple to the coast, there were probably hundreds who would have simply followed orders and shot it down.

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Re: I fly With Honor, How About You?
« Reply #108 on: March 27, 2009, 11:36:25 PM »
Wouldn't be much back and forth.  The "Acts of Valor" were notable precisely because they were rare.

...there were probably hundreds who would have simply followed orders and shot it down.



Yep and this is the story of one of those cases.  The only reasons Johnson made it home was the Butcher Bird was dry of 20mm cannon rounds and it finally ran out of machine gun rounds while trying to shoot down a very crippled Jug. 

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With the coming of May, escort operations begin. The 78th claims one German fighter and two probables while escorting heavy bombers to Antwerp. In exchange, three of the 78th’s P-47’s fail to make it home. The 56th is doing even worse. After 31 combat missions, they have yet to claim a single enemy fighter against their several losses. Eventually, they score their first victory during a sweep over Rouen on June 12th. On the very next day, Robert Johnson got his first kill, blasting an Fw 190 to pieces. However, on the 26th, the 56th lost five Thunderbolts with four more shot to pieces. All they can claim is two German fighters.

It was on this mission that Johnson’s P-47 is crippled by enemy fire. Refusing to break formation (after being chewed out for doing just that when he gained his first victory) Johnson repeatedly tried to warn his Group of attacking Fw 190’s. For some reason, no one heard his frantic radio calls. Johnson’s fighter was clobbered by German 20mm cannon shells. The engine was hit, the hydraulic system shot out, spraying Johnson with fluid. His canopy was jammed closed and his oxygen system destroyed. The leaking hydraulic fluid and oxygen came in contact with each other and burst into flame inside the cockpit. Fortunately, it was only a flash fire, but Johnson was properly singed, losing his eyebrows and taking on the appearance of a cooked lobster. Having flown without his goggles (they were being repaired), the mist of hydraulic fluid nearly blinded him and caused swelling that threatened to eliminate what limited vision he retained.

Without oxygen, hypoxia began to cloud Johnson’s reasoning. In a panic, he fought to get out of the wrecked P-47. The canopy would not slide back more than a few inches. Jamming his feet against the shot up instrument panel, he pulled with all his considerable strength. No luck, it would not budge. One of the side plexiglass panels had been blown out of the canopy. Johnson tried to squeeze through it, but his parachute snagged. No sense in climbing out unless he brings his chute with him. What to do?

While Johnson was struggling with his situation, the P-47 was rapidly descending. As he lost altitude, the effects of hypoxia were wearing off and the cobwebs began to dissipate. Quite suddenly, it dawned on him that the Thunderbolt was actually flying. Upon this realization, Johnson decided to see how far he could nurse it towards the English channel. He eased off the throttle and the Pratt & Whitney radial stopped its shaking. The big fighter answered its controls with authority. Johnson was elated. Maybe, just maybe, he could make it home.

Then he saw it. Sliding in from his left rear, a fighter closes in. But, whose fighter? Then, he recognized it. A beautiful but deadly Fw-190 with a gleaming yellow nose. Flying just off Johnson's wing, the German pilot scans the shot up P-47. Wondering what is going through the German pilot's mind, Johnson watches as he eases away and swings around in a graceful turn; sliding in behind the Thunderbolt. Knowing full well what’s to come, Johnson grabs the seat adjuster lever and drops the seat full down where he is afforded the full protection of the armor plate behind the seat. Johnson thinks to himself; “let him shoot, this Thunderbolt can’t be hurt anymore than it already is.” The Fw 190 opens up on the flying wreck. Like hail on a tin roof, 7.92 mm rounds pour into the Jug. What, no 20 mm? Thankfully, these have all been expended in some other fight. Johnson sits, hunkered down behind the armor as the German pilot ripsaws the battered Thunderbolt with hundreds of rounds.

Finally, his anger building, Johnson decides that he must do something. Kicking hard right and left rudder, the big fighter yaws right, then left. This scrubs off speed and caught off guard, the German cannot avoid over-running the P-47. Johnson sees him go by, but is unable to see anything through his oil covered windscreen. Shoving his head out through the shattered canopy, Johnson sees the Fw 190 turn gently to the right. Seeing an opportunity, he kicks hard right rudder, skidding the Thunderbolt, Johnson depresses the gun switch button. A stream of tracers heads towards the German fighter. But, it doesn’t falter.

Instead, it continues around in a perfect turn and slides in alongside the perforated P-47 once again. Johnson makes eye contact with the German pilot. He can see the dismay on the German’s face. There is no way that this American fighter can still be flying. It is impossible that it could absorb such a pounding and keep on flying. The Focke Wulf eases out to the right, and slides back into perfect firing position once again. Johnson cowers behind his armor plate as 7.92 mm bullets rain upon the utterly mangled Thunderbolt. Just when Johnson is convinced that it will never stop, he stamps down hard on the rudder pedals again. This time the German expects just such a move and pulls off his throttle. The dappled 190 eases up on Johnson’s wing once again, the German pilot shaking his head in silent amazement. They fly this way for several minutes. Finally, the German waves an informal salute and slides in behind Johnson’s invulnerable fighter for the third time. As before, the Jug is pounded by streams of lead. The Fw 190 swings gently from left to right, spraying the indestructible P-47 with an incessant barrage of machine gun fire. Suddenly, it stops. The Focke Wulf eases alongside again. The German looks over the Thunderbolt. The pilot stares with a look of admiration on his face. Pulling even with Johnson, the 190 wags its wings in salute and peels away in a climbing turn. Having fired his last rounds at the stubborn Jug, the German heads for home, certainly convinced that the mauled fighter will never make home.

Finally free of the Focke Wulf, Johnson suddenly realizes that during the entire attack, he had depressed his mike button. Releasing the button, the accented voice of an Englishman fills his headphones. “Hello, hello, climb if you can, you’re getting very faint”. It was Air-Sea Rescue. They had heard the entire fight, including Johnson cursing his tormentor. Johnson’s spirit soars, and he responds, “I’ll try, but I’m down to less than 1,000 feet”. Shouting with joy, he eases back on the stick. Not only will the Thunderbolt fly, hot damn, She’ll climb! Slowly, Johnson nurses the P-47 up to 8,000 feet. The big fighter hauls herself up, instilling greater confidence in a man who was ready to bail out but a few minutes before. “Blue four, blue four, I have you loud and clear. Steer three-four–five degrees.”

“I can’t do that mayday control, my compass is shot out” answers Johnson.

The calm British voice issues instructions to “turn slightly right”, and continues to provide course corrections until, after 40 minutes Johnson spots the coast of Dover through broken clouds. Directed to an emergency airfield, Johnson circles but cannot spot the sod runway. After checking his fuel, he pushes the mike button;

“Mayday control, this is blue four, I’m ok now. I’m going to fly onto Manston. I’d like to land back at my outfit.”

Johnson continues on to Manston. Contacting the tower, he describes his situation. The last test comes as he moves the landing gear lever to the “down” position. Not only does the gear drop and lock, but by some miracle, the tires have not been hit. Easing onto the grass, Johnson has no flaps and no brakes. The big fighter does not slow and is heading towards a row of RAF Spitfires and Typhoons parked at the end of the runway. In desperation, he stomps on the left rudder pedal. The Thunderbolt ground loops and slides backwards in between two of the British fighters just like it had been parked there.

Slowly, Johnson gathers his wits and removing his parachute, squeezes out of the shattered canopy. Once on the ground he realizes the extent of the damage. Not only to the plane, but to himself. A bullet had nicked his nose. His hands were bleeding from the shrapnel of 20 mm shells that exploded in the cockpit. Two 7.92 mm rounds had hit him in his leg. 21 holes from 20 mm shells are counted in the airframe. He quits counting bullet holes when he reaches 100. It seems as if every square foot of the fighter has a hole in it. Somehow, the P-47 had shrugged off the damage and refused to die. Johnson will recover quickly. The Thunderbolt will not. It was scrapped on the spot, very little could be salvaged that was not damaged.


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Re: I fly With Honor, How About You?
« Reply #109 on: March 28, 2009, 07:39:05 AM »
Honor in here is a tough nut to define. If you have an honor code and enjoy playing that way. Your going to find that it takes more honor to stay honorable then it takes to be honorable in here.

Very few in AH respect any kind of honor code.

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Re: I fly With Honor, How About You?
« Reply #110 on: March 28, 2009, 10:25:28 PM »
the only type of honor I play with is a !!S!! were it is deserved ,and trying my best to check 6 the good guys...
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Re: I fly With Honor, How About You?
« Reply #111 on: March 28, 2009, 10:39:03 PM »
Wouldn't be much back and forth.  The "Acts of Valor" were notable precisely because they were rare.

For every 109 pilot like Franz Stigler that would escort a cripple to the coast, there were probably hundreds who would have simply followed orders and shot it down.

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Re: I fly With Honor, How About You?
« Reply #112 on: March 29, 2009, 01:27:29 AM »
kill the chute if he is not getting back to the tower he is sitrep with the guys still flying around. Another pair of eyes. If he is alone then fly by and wave, it takes awhile longer for him to get in the air that way.
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Re: I fly With Honor, How About You?
« Reply #113 on: March 29, 2009, 11:24:19 AM »
Yep and this is the story of one of those cases.  The only reasons Johnson made it home was the Butcher Bird was dry of 20mm cannon rounds and it finally ran out of machine gun rounds while trying to shoot down a very crippled Jug. 


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"Slowly, Johnson gathers his wits and removing his parachute, squeezes out of the shattered canopy. Once on the ground he realizes the extent of the damage. Not only to the plane, but to himself. A bullet had nicked his nose. His hands were bleeding from the shrapnel of 20 mm shells that exploded in the cockpit. Two 7.92 mm rounds had hit him in his leg. 21 holes from 20 mm shells are counted in the airframe. He quits counting bullet holes when he reaches 100. It seems as if every square foot of the fighter has a hole in it. Somehow, the P-47 had shrugged off the damage and refused to die. Johnson will recover quickly. The Thunderbolt will not. It was scrapped on the spot, very little could be salvaged that was not damaged."


And not a single blackout. Especially when he was landing.
Wow. Imagine that.

Pilot wounds must have been undermodeled back then   ;)


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Re: I fly With Honor, How About You?
« Reply #114 on: March 29, 2009, 11:48:30 AM »
That is  sad , Honor is what what makes each person  different .
I worked for the JAPANESE and let me tell you they have honor in everything they do . From documentation right up to there Family .
And you want to know why they own us!!!!!
Own us ? How ? The bloated Japanese economy has been suffering for a decade . Honor in everything ? People born of a Japanese parent and a non Japanese , in Japan , have no chance of ever being a citizen . Rejecting your own is not my idea of honor in everything .

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Re: I fly With Honor, How About You?
« Reply #115 on: April 11, 2009, 10:49:25 PM »
Wouldn't be much back and forth.  The "Acts of Valor" were notable precisely because they were rare.

For every 109 pilot like Franz Stigler that would escort a cripple to the coast, there were probably hundreds who would have simply followed orders and shot it down.

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