Jet- and rocket-powered planes in WW2

[Wilbus]

Actually Grun, HE162 saw service, amongst others with JV44 together with the 262. As for Handeling wise, Brady, the HE162 was a MUCH harder plane to fly, it was unstable and lots of accidents happened with it.
It was suposed to be a "peoples fighter" piloted by Hitler Jugend, 15-18 year old kids, however, even the most experienced pilots had a hard time flying it so the Hitler Jugend thing, thankfully, never took place in the airforce.

The ME262's only backdraw was that it was underpowered, it took a long time to accelerate it during take offs, it was a sitting duck and quite a few pilots were killed due to Engine mallfunctions during take off and landing, this however, was really it's only major disadvantage.

Both planes are legitimate, and should be added, though ME262 should be added first.

As for the Meteor and the P80, non of them saw action during the war, specially not the P80 (WW2 version had a speed just above 400Mph so it would be outflown by props anyway). The Meteor saw some action vs V1's, however, the WW2 version were far from as good as the 262, not sure if action against V1's count, if it does, it should be added, would get chewed up pretty fast anyway.

Me163 had a 80% chance of blowing up during landings, it should be added but it should be HARD to land without blowing up.

DO335?not a Jet, but IT IS SO BEUTIFULL! It saw some service with squads but it is not belived to ever have seen action, it was reported by allied pilots, and german pilots flew near the Allies but never engaged, no reports have been found about it anyway  

[GRUNHERZ]

He162 saw no significant use whatsoever, it shot one Typhoon/Tempest with JG1 and is ROUMORED to have shot about 6 Russian planes.

The plane is neat but I dont wanna see it in AH, because its too damn rare and insignificant.

The P80 was much much faster than 400mph. I dont want it in AH because it did nothing but sightsee during WW2.

The DO335 was sometimes seen by roaming P51s during test flights. It easily outaccelerated them and ran away. What else would one expect of a plane that does about 480mph at 21,000feet.   Alas it shouldnt be in AH as its completly irrelevant and saw no real service in the war. Same as P80, all it did was sightsee.

The Meteor could be put in AH. I think the MKI and MkIII saw use V1 busting and the MKIII some ground attack in 1945.


So In my point of view the two jets that would be acceptable in AH are the Me262 and Meteor.

As for perk cost they should both be at least
100-150 points, with the Meteor slightly higher to reflect its lesser relevance in the war and fewer numbers in use. Im aware that it was quite a bit lesser performer than Me262 but I honestly feel its greater rarity demands a slightly higher perk cost. Sorta the same way the otherwise useless and unremarkable AH Ta152 must remain perked.

Anyway none of us should be concerned bout the jets, well none except the Arado pilots. They will be very fast, very flashy, very expensive and therefore very high and very conservative.

[Nashwan]

As for perk cost they should both be at least
100-150 points, with the Meteor slightly higher to reflect its lesser relevance in the war and fewer numbers in use. Im aware that it was quite a bit lesser performer than Me262 but I honestly feel its greater rarity demands a slightly higher perk cost. Sorta the same way the otherwise useless and unremarkable AH Ta152 must remain perked.

By that criteria, the Ta152 should cost considerably more than the Tempest, not less as it does now.

[brady]

p.25 Wings of The Luftwaffe by Capt. Eric Brown.
"The aircraft had excellent directional snacking characteristics,making it a good gun platform. From this aspect it was the best jet fighter of it's time, and I was certainly in a position to judge, having flown every jet aircraft then in existence"
p.24
"it was evident that the Germans had got the original stability problems licked"

p.25
"very touchy ruder"

p.26
"phenomenal role rate"

p.26
"delightful little fighter"

p.26
"it was like all German jet's a superb airplane"

p.26
" I had never met better flying controls yet they could be so easily mishandled"

p.26 "I will always recall the He-162 with affection"


Brady

[GRUNHERZ]

Eric Brown, vastly exoerienced combat and test pilot who flew pretty much every LW and Allied fighter of WW2......


Nashwan I was reffering to the Ta152 as an example of a plane being perked not due to performance but rarity, as its no better than any late-war nonperk plane under 35000feet.

Anyway jets will be useless in MA cept for Arado hunting. I think the Meteor should be quite a bit rarer than Me262 which should be rare itself, as it was less used in the war anyway.

[SpitLead]

Be careful about the whole perking issue gentlemen.  Is the perking based solely on how RARE the airplane was used in WWII (which I think is the basic criteria now) or should the perking be based on the airplanes IMPACT to the MA? Maybe the answer is both.

If it's how rare, what you can get is an airplane that is rare but has only a marginal advantage in the MA (like the Ta152 now).  Case in point, the Meteor.  Who's gonna spend 150 perk points for a jet fighter that can barely out run a P-51 and is less maneuverable??!!  As such, the whole development and modeling effort by HTC will pretty much have been a waste except for those very few who want to fly it a few times.

Sorry to change this thread to perking but I didn't bring it up first  

As for the jets, I'd like to see the ME262 because it had a definite role and impact at the end of the war.  Also, the ME163 because it WAS used and would make a very interesting addition to the game due to its uniqueness. Forget all the other jets.  They were inconsequential in the whole scheme of things.

SpitLead out