Me 109 G#

[Seeker]

Hi guys,
I've a broad and shallow understanding of the differences between the various 109 sub types, but not the sub-sub types! In other words, I know the difference between an "F" and a "G", but what's the difference between the various G's?

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The **MOL**

[Vermillion]

LOL!  

Whole books have been written on this seemingly simple issue.

Luftwaffle Nitpicking Disclaimer   : The following is for purposes of Aces High, and I realize that other differences were there, but more significant in real life, than in our sim.

Generally as the numbers progress in the G series, they have bigger more powerful engines but also they got heavier as the engines got more powerful. Otherwise they are fairly similar. The one exception to to this is that the G14 (which we don't have) came before the G10.

So they progressively got faster, and could climb/accelerate better, but the handling and turning performance got worse and worse.

Armament generally stayed the same, of a base armament of x2 13mm MG's in the cowling and a single 20mm MG151/20 firing thru the hub. There was also an optional 30mm Mk108 cannon that replaced the hub gun.  It was also possible to mount extra cannon gondola's under the wings, or crude air to air rockets.

I'm sure some 109 Fanatic will jump in to correct me any second now  

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Jimdandy]

No Verm that's a good quick summery I think. The G models began to show the limitations of the design. The F was probably the best over all combination of handling and climb rate. Not the best of all but the best balance. As you said they got faster and climbed better but suffered in other aspects to gain that performance.

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[Tony Williams]

To nitpick, the early G models retained the 7.92mm MG 17 cowling guns.  Only with the G-5 and G-6 (the latter came out first) were they replaced by 13mm MG 131s.

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[Wulf09]

No Verm you wrote well   I would only like to add that from the G-5 on right to the K-4 the handling was about the same. I read this in a forum...maybe even on this one. Dunno. There were some guys who talked with a German pilot not long ago and one posted some of the dialogs. Very interesting stuff indeed.

[danish]

To Quote two of the foremost authorities on the matter Rodeike & Prien:

The first G-14 fighters arrived at the invasion front in France in the summer of 1944. The G-14 represented an attempt to create a new, standard type incorporating the many changes which had been introduced during production of the G-6. These changes had led to a plethora of variants, with all the ensuing problems for a decentralized mass production. This attempt was a total failure, however, because from the beginning the G-14 appeared in as many variations as the G-6.

There are meters upon meters written by and on pilots and historicans.One could wish that "The Black Men", the ground crews got to tell their stories before its too late.With the kaos in Germany after the war and the decentralized production under the war, these men have the answers to many questions.

danish

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[Eagler]

the g10 will lawn dart you from overspeed faster than the g6  

Eagler

[Seeker]

Thanks guys!
I've been trying out the "G" offline, and I have to ask, why bother?

The earlier 109's were, in my other simming experience good T'nB'ers, whereas these later models seem to be straight line hot rods. Fair enough, that's not a bad thing per se, but why bother with a 109 in this configuration when you can have a 190 and some roll ability?

On a slightly off topic note, the 109's seem to be very trim sensitive; but I'm sure I've read that the 109 didn't actually have cockpit trim, just tabs to be adjusted pre-flight. If this is true, would that not make the standard AH trim a bit of a gimmick in these planes?

[Fishu]

Early 109's = aerobatic planes
Late 109's = darts

[chunder']

 

Originally posted by Seeker:
On a slightly off topic note, the 109's seem to be very trim sensitive; but I'm sure I've read that the 109 didn't actually have cockpit trim, just tabs to be adjusted pre-flight. If this is true, would that not make the standard AH trim a bit of a gimmick in these planes?

IIRC, 109s only had cockpit-adjustable trim for the elevators, all surfaces had the ground-adjustable tabs though.

[gatt]

And mid-late G-6 had more powerful DB605 engines than the one we have in our pig Gustav. Rant.

[Vermillion]

Why Bother? Well... personally, in our arena, I wouldn't bother with anything other than the G10.

But the G10 is one of the most effective 1 v 1 aircraft in the game. It takes patience, and you have to wear the enemy down, but once you master the skills its a deadly bird.

In the main arena, its less effective due to the way fights are spread out, and you have a never ending stream of respawning dweebs.... err umm enemy    It really suffers from lack of dive speed (low compression onset), and high speed handling. But its the fastest fighter in the game, except for right down on the deck, stay above 5k and your faster.

BUT, if you learn how to how to fight conservatively, feed off the edges of larger fights, and always try to maintain an alt advantage + a cushion, the G10 can still be one of the top killers in the arena.  The biggest skills it takes are patience and good SA.

My preference (and yes I know many of you luftwobbles disagree with me) is to take the G10 with a 20mm nose gun, and the 20mm gondolas.  This way you have the straight line speed of a Mustang (slightly better actually), and still have better climb/acceleration than just about any plane in the arena. Just not as good as a non-gondola G10. And you have excellent firepower with a decent ammo load.

Plus never forget that the G10 has the longest WEP of any plane in the game, period. It lasts seemingly forever.

Just my opinon.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

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[Seeker]

Thanks again.

I'll have to practise some more, the ability to run away is sorely missed in my Spit!

One day, we'll have Ju87's with those anti tank gondolas, won't we?

[Eagler]

 

Originally posted by Seeker:
Thanks again.

I'll have to practise some more, the ability to run away is sorely missed in my Spit!

One day, we'll have Ju87's with those anti tank gondolas, won't we?

Talk about not being able to run away, a Stuka would be dead meat in MA.

Eagler

[janneh]

Vermillion wrote : "My preference (and yes I know many of you luftwobbles disagree with me) is to take the G10 with a 20mm nose gun, and the 20mm gondolas".

I'm learning G-10 with that configuration. but after flying F-4 & G-2 I'll always end up furballing and dead. It's very powerful configuration, usually fast snap shot is enough to drop con. Really hard to rememnber that roll rate is lousy compared F-4 & G-2.
Speed is one great thing I appreciate after G-2. If (when)things go bad I have some changes to leave battle. Not in F-4 & G-2 tho.BnZ is the key to success, I quess.