Frame 3 After-Action Reports

[TUK]

Missed the whole thing due to bad wheather (disco's) . How did everyone do?   

[CHAPPY]

  JOKERs JOKERs excellent escort fellas 

[oakranger]

so-so,  Had a lot of connection issue due to ice storm in Kansas.  Must have heard 3 transmitter blowing up.  There is nothing that can get you jumpping right out of bed at 4 in the morning when one gos off right next to your house.

[Saxman]

First run went well. We lost two planes rearming when another friendly on the pad fired his guns. Second run went not so well, as the bombers we were escorting elected for a low-alt second strike on the original target and we never caught up after climbing to altitude. Got caught by some 109s and made a fighting retreat S. We were doing pretty well until a second squadron of 110s joined the party.

[Boxboy]

AS usual or our squad was ordered to 25k to cap (rediculous) and as usual we were overwhelmed by 2 v 1 odds as our 8 seafires were attacked by 20 110-g2 which had attacked the cv from LOW alt as usual.  The 110's were escorted by 109 g-2's so not sure but the odds may have been as high as 4 v 1.

A big SALUTE to the axis CiC who completely out planned and out executed the Allies

VF-17 gave as good an account as it could for itself and I am proud to fly with them

[Stoney]

Boxboy, how many other friendly squadrons were out there with you?

[442w30]

Hope you aren't talking about Frame I as being "as usual" because in Frame I, the CAP for C112 was your squad (who requested Seafires), another 4-6 commitment squad in Seafires, a 4-6 commitment squad in Spit IX, and a 4-6 commitment squad in P38.  Your CO was in overall command of the Air Groups capping C112 and this is from the actual order set, "Coordinate with the other three squads on patrol routes and altitudes.  It is suggested that you stagger altitudes to protect against possible low level attacks as well as higher level attacks by level and dive bombers.  Remember that the JU88 can act as a torpedo bomber, level bomber, and dive bomber.  It is also possible that you will encounter JU87 and ME110G-2."

 

[PFactorDave]

AS usual or our squad was ordered to 25k to cap (rediculous) and as usual we were overwhelmed by 2 v 1 odds as our 8 seafires were attacked by 20 110-g2 which had attacked the cv from LOW alt as usual.  The 110's were escorted by 109 g-2's so not sure but the odds may have been as high as 4 v 1.

Rolling Thunder totally demolished all of the ships in the fleet...  But we didn't fight any seafires at 25k...   

I was a little surprised how little protection the allies had assigned to the ships. 

[Dustoff2]

Rolling Thunder totally demolished all of the ships in the fleet...  But we didn't fight any seafires at 25k...   

I was a little surprised how little protection the allies had assigned to the ships. 

Pfactor,

That was the other attack group which where attacking the cv group. We where the other attack group which was tasked with attacking the cruiser group without a cv.

dustoff

[TUK]

Pfactor,

That was the other attack group which where attacking the cv group. We where the other attack group which was tasked with attacking the cruiser group without a cv.

dustoff

Hey Pfactor, from the loggs i see yall where in 110's. Were you guys heavy?  Looked like you guy's had fun, was it strafing or bombing mostly? Just wondering?    Tuk151

[Boxboy]

Boxboy, how many other friendly squadrons were out there with you?

Not sure who was supposed to be out there with us but NONE that I could see, but they came in low and we went down for Bombers as per orders maybe the others stayed high???

[Boxboy]

Hope you aren't talking about Frame I as being "as usual" because in Frame I, the CAP for C112 was your squad (who requested Seafires), another 4-6 commitment squad in Seafires, a 4-6 commitment squad in Spit IX, and a 4-6 commitment squad in P38.  Your CO was in overall command of the Air Groups capping C112 and this is from the actual order set, "Coordinate with the other three squads on patrol routes and altitudes.  It is suggested that you stagger altitudes to protect against possible low level attacks as well as higher level attacks by level and dive bombers.  Remember that the JU88 can act as a torpedo bomber, level bomber, and dive bomber.  It is also possible that you will encounter JU87 and ME110G-2."

 

So all three frames you or whoever assigned 2 or 3, 4-6 commitment fighters to cap vs at least 2 v 1 odds everytime vs better flying and faster German Iron? In Frame 1 as I recall VF-17 did quite well and I can vouch for Tex01 folling any orders he got, so I am sure the other 2 light squads must have been layered below us.  BTW I never saw an allied p-38 in any of the frames but I am sure they must have been there.

[Boxboy]

So all three frames you or whoever assigned 2 or 3, 4-6 commitment fighters to cap vs at least 2 v 1 odds everytime vs better flying and faster German Iron? In Frame 1 as I recall VF-17 did quite well and I can vouch for Tex01 following any orders he got, so I am sure the other 2 light squads must have been layered below us.  BTW I never saw an allied p-38 in any of the frames but I am sure they must have been there.

[TracerX]

AS usual or our squad was ordered to 25k to cap (rediculous) and as usual we were overwhelmed by 2 v 1 odds as our 8 seafires were attacked by 20 110-g2 which had attacked the cv from LOW alt as usual.  The 110's were escorted by 109 g-2's so not sure but the odds may have been as high as 4 v 1.

A big SALUTE to the axis CiC who completely out planned and out executed the Allies

Axis CO here, but for the record, I thought things went very badly for the Axis (I see now the results were fairly balanced).  We were getting spanked in the center defense area, and the only thing that saved us was that several of the bombing attempts were off the mark, making a second follow up attack necessary.  We regrouped as best we could, but the numbers quickly went in the Allies favor.  The one area that went well for us was the attacks on the Allies shipping.  I was very pleased with the Unforgiven, Killuminati, Duxford Wing, Rolling Thunder, Precision, and Mighty 316th.  That is one 16-21 squad, one 7-10, and one 4-6 squad per target.  The small squad scouted, with an attack and escort squad following behind.

Also, I must congratulate the Arabian Knights for taking a big chunk out of the Allies avalanche of planes.  They held the line well against very nasty odds.  Salute to the rest of the Axis squads too for a job well done, and to the Allies for being such a tough opponent.  It was a very fun event.

[Twizzty]

<S> JG2 and CHAPPY

You guys did very well in those things! It was a pleasure escorting you guys to and from V73 twice...right up the gut, was fun!

<S>

...and Texas20 just sick in those guns!