109.............too damn awsome

[raven 8]

i've been flying the 109 g2 lately. how awsome is this plane. i mean if u keep the speede up and climb ur wayy out of trouble. its practically impossible for anyone to kill you. i use to fly the zeke, sure it was fun dogfighting people, but it was easy and wasnt really challenging.


i was facinated by the decipline and technique required to flyy the g2 effectively. so i decided to give it a shot.


and let me tell u, nothing for satidfying than a well excuted bnz.

i think ill stay with the g2 for awhile:-)


ive read up on techniques in flying the 109s. i think i have the theory down pretty well. just gota put it into practice:-)


one very happy customer:-)

rav(messiah1)

btw.........does the 109 have THE best climb rate in AH or does it only have one of the best. what are the planes that could climb with the 109.......lets say the g2.

[ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: raven 8 ]

[Tac]

p38,g10,la7,yak and i think the 205, not sure about the 205.

[Hristo]

It is a long road to 190. I give him 2 years  

[Jimdandy]

My personal favorite is the 109F-4. Good overall. I think the G10 probably the best out of the 109's for straight rate of climb and fast also.

[juzz]

raven8 - check out the help pages on the HTC website, they have charts of climbrate and speed for most of the fighters in AH.  

[raven 8]

with WEP only the g-10 outclimbs it:-)

according to the charts, the other planes, especially the p-38 dont even come close:-).....yay!!

i think ill stick to the g-2........climbs almost as good as the g-10 but i think its nicer to fly if caught in a bad situation:-)

rav(messiah1)

[Urchin]

109G2 is the best of the bunch, in my opinion.  The F4 turns better, but the difference is not one that you would actually notice, in my opinion.  The G2 is the 2nd fastest (after the G10), and the 2nd best turner (after the F4)- it turns a LOT better than the G10 does, and you can surprise people with it.  The roll rate is slow though, so you really have to be on the ball when you are saddled up on someone.  The 7.92mm MGs are also rather useless (I've gotten 1 kill with the MGs ever- and several times I've peppered people with them and had them auger and STILL not gotten credit for a kill LOL, it was awarded as a prox kill to someone on the runway in one case).  However, if you pack on the 2 gondolas, your roll rate will go from bad to worse, and they also slow you down and worsen your turning ability.  With the gondolas on, a N1K2 can catch you flat out at sea level, without them he can't.

[StSanta]

The N1K is faster than the g2 <giggle>

[ra]

I've been flying the G2 in the CT and it is impressive.  I'm not sure the F4 turns better.  And at 18.5K I was getting about 400 mph TAS with WEP in level flight.  Not bad for 1942 or so.

ra

[raven 8]

wow!!!!

i just got back from a h2h match with some good sticks.

i stayed up there for 1hour without geting shot down. shot down 5. my highest so far.

just climb my way out of trouble when caught in bad situation.

most of the kills were bnz, by one was dogfighting down low with a yak!......i thought yaks were suppose to be good down low, but i stayed with him all the way.

these machines are just awsome......pick when to climb away, and u wil never be shot down!!

most important thing is to keep it below 450. and ull be invincible!:-)

one very happy 109 user:-)


rav(messiah1)

[gripen]

I don't know how well ailerons of the 109 are modeled in the AH. They appear to be quite slow throughout the speed range. I've seen favorable claims about 109's ailerons at low speeds (those british 109E reports, "ideal controll") but at high speed they should be very heavy, almost immovable (Wings of Luftwaffe and 109E tests). So IMHO ailerons of the AH's 109s should be better at low speeds. Is there some kind of hard data about the ailerons of the  F, G or K models available somewhere?

gripen

[raven 8]

it rolls way better at low speeds, i think it is modeled.....at high speed, there no roll rate to speak of:-)

i was able to do a rolling scissors with a yak down low.....only a few circles though:-)


rav(messiah1)

[StSanta]

Well, you might get a feeling of security from the good climb rate.

But unless you'rea complete and utter coward, sooner or later a higher enemy will arrive when you're doing yer safe climb out. Even a 190A8 with egs will be able to catch you then  

Top speed is a better defensive weapon than climb rate, IMHO; takes ya out of the danger zone faster. Climb rate is very effective in 1v1's, but once higher enemies start coming in at a steady pace, it sort of wears off the effect  

[Buzzbait]

S!

A lot of people look at the G2 and ask themselves:  Why the heck replace it with the G6, which is obviously a dog compared to it.

The reason has everything to do with operational realities, and nothing to do with performance.

The undercarriage on the F model 109 and G2 was essentially the same as the one on the 109E, and while it was sufficient for the weight increase of the F, the extra poundage of the DB605 in the G2 increased the stress on it to the point that collapses during landing were becoming very common, especially for aircraft which been in service for a few months.  The Luftwaffe command staff asked for a redesign to fix the problem.

The Messerschmidt engineers found a way to replace the undercarriage.  Unfortunately to do this, they had to create bumps in the wings to accomadate the larger and heavier struts and wheel components.

At the same time they replaced the undercarriage, they also replaced the 7.92mm Mg's with 13mm versions.  This in turn nessesitated creating bumps in the engine cowling, and destroyed all the beautiful streamlining work which made the F model 109 the best looking mark of the breed.

All in all with the G6 they ended up with a considerably slower, heavier plane, with bigger guns, but generally inferior to the G2 in performance.

However, it did land without snapping off the wheel struts.

[raven 8]

yeah i know. everytime i see someone higher than me, i get the heck out of there. but having a good climb rate also means that u get up there pretty fast. and i find it that the higher plane usually let u go and go after the lower ones.

the g2 is sufficiently fast to run away from a fight, but u have to decide this pretty early, because unlike other planes, u cant do splits's:-).......well u can but its not as eefective since ur controls lock up above 400

rav