TilDeath Experience

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Rip if I have one disk only then I am at the same risk. The incrementals dont even show a ripple while Im using them. There is no, nada effect that I can tell during normal usage.They are saved to a disk outside of the array. I do turn them off when going in game of course.
Now Rip if I lose a disk. I can take it out. Image to my 1 good disk if I cant wait to buy a new one. Im up running in about 20 minutes.I would only lose about 15 minutes of history.
I dont see how that is any different if I have say just one disk .. Im not really ready to add disks just to run raid 10. And I dont see any definitive info that says that 10 is that much if at all faster than 0. In fact I believe 10 using parity and striping. And with striping you stand the chance of something being corrupted. So there are drawbacks either way. 
Now one more time I say: I believe there is a bit of improvement using raid 0. And you can get varying opinions. SAS disks are far from ready for primetime game playing. And they may never be. It remains to be seen. I wouldnt touch SAS with a 10 foot pole till they have been in desktops for a year.

Lol SAS is enterprise level stuff (serial attached scsi) that's a lightyear more advanced than your integrated chip fake raid 0 setup. And FYI your Raid 0 is two striped _consumer level_ disks that are not even rated for 24hour operation like SAS disks are. FYI2 when you use larger numbers of hardware components your statistic odds of getting a failure increase -> risk of catastrophic failure is larger using 2 or more disks on raid 0 than with a single disk.

But as I said it's your own business how you build your system.

[skullman]

Yup tilldeath is a class act-he is going to build one for me.I have watched the boards an he is great.I am gonna get the ch setup and wanted pedals but only got one leg.He is gonna hook me up where I can use em.Cant wait to get this party started.I wont have any excuses except just being a crappy pilot

[Skuzzy]

No Silat your odds are double or more to have a failure. First of all you have two different pieces of hardware working synchronously. This doubles your odds for having a monday sample on either one. Second the synchronous operation is very demanding and you should have exactly identical drives.

People who work with large videofiles should get 15k rpm SAS arrays with 4-8 hdd's running Raid10 with BBCW for real speed gains. Costs a few hundred bucks more but then it's pro stuff already.

Actually, for video editing, SAS is slower than a U320 SCSI adapter sitting in a PCI-X slot running at 133Mhz.

For the best performance possible, an external array of 15k Wide SCSI disks, running hardware RAID 10, connected via a U320 SCSI adapter is the fastest.  Also pretty expensive.

Next best is an internal set of wide SCSI 15K disks connected to a U320 SCSI adapter plugged into a PCI-X slot clocking at 133Mhz.

[Delirium]

I am gonna get the ch setup and wanted pedals but only got one leg.He is gonna hook me up where I can use em.

You can use CH pedals with one leg, the weight of the spring is light enough. Just make sure you assign the toe brake you can use to both left and right brakes in AH.

[Delirium]

As for Tildeath, I've recommended him to a lot of people (including Silat). I strongly urge you to contact him if you're looking for a new machine.

[Fulmar]

I'd much rather have people order something from TilDeath than buy an off the shelf PC and then complain about why their $500 rig can't hack gaming.  Ideally, I'd rather have them build it themselves for the experience and technical knowledge gained, but that's not everyone's alley.

[Silat]

Actually, for video editing, SAS is slower than a U320 SCSI adapter sitting in a PCI-X slot running at 133Mhz.

For the best performance possible, an external array of 15k Wide SCSI disks, running hardware RAID 10, connected via a U320 SCSI adapter is the fastest.  Also pretty expensive.

Next best is an internal set of wide SCSI 15K disks connected to a U320 SCSI adapter plugged into a PCI-X slot clocking at 133Mhz.

Hi and thanks Roy:)

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Actually, for video editing, SAS is slower than a U320 SCSI adapter sitting in a PCI-X slot running at 133Mhz.

For the best performance possible, an external array of 15k Wide SCSI disks, running hardware RAID 10, connected via a U320 SCSI adapter is the fastest.  Also pretty expensive.

Next best is an internal set of wide SCSI 15K disks connected to a U320 SCSI adapter plugged into a PCI-X slot clocking at 133Mhz.

While this is true it doesn't negate the fact that fake-raid 0 with two consumer disks can't be compared to a SAS or SCSI raid 10 setup performance wise. To me consumer disks and raid 0 is a disaster waiting to happen.

Sure they play in different price range but if we're talking about professional use.. Then again if it's just a gaming box with pretense of being a videoediting workstation it's a diff story.

[Skuzzy]

I really was not commenting on pros and cons of any solution.  I was just offering up what I know about SAS versus SCSI in the areas of performance.  Note, I did not say a thing about using RAID on the internal solution.

I am not going to fight the marketing of that technology anymore.

[bmwgs]

I'd much rather have people order something from TilDeath than buy an off the shelf PC and then complain about why their $500 rig can't hack gaming.  Ideally, I'd rather have them build it themselves for the experience and technical knowledge gained, but that's not everyone's alley.

Interesting that you make the above statement.  I am one of the ones who really doesn't want to learn all the technical aspects of owning or building a computer.  I will use the analogy of owning a car.  I understand how the cars works, I can operate the car, and I can do basic maintenance on the vehicle, but I can not and do not want to build one.

I have been looking into getting a gaming computer for some time.  Looking at the retail side I have seen prices from $1,200.00 to $6,000.00.  Now not being a computer expert, or having a great amount of knowledge in the area, which would be the one for me.  I see no reason in owning a $6,000.00 rig when the $1,200.00 will run the game just as well.  I will use the car analogy again.  Lets just say Aces High is pop-up camper.  I don't need a Peterbilt to pull it when a Ford F150 is more than enough.  I hope I am making since here.

I would like a computer that will run present day Aces High with enough room to expand as the game does.  We all know the game is not making leaps and bounds because they want as many people to experience the game as possible.  This is the only game I play, and I do not do any fancy editing of pictures or films.  The most I do on a computer is some emails, surf the web, and down load some personal pictures I take while traveling.

When I asked on the forums what I needed, the response I received was so varied, I had to sit back and take another look to see where I was going and what I wanted to do.  The first response was how much do I have to spend.  That's not really the point.  I will spend what I have to but I don't believe in spending money when I don't have to.

I have two good friends that are in the computer business and I could easily have them build one for me, but they are such good friends I know they would not take any money for their time.  I do not like to take advantage of my friends  that's just the way I am, so I am looking elsewhere.  Now they have the knowledge of building computers, but neither one of them are gamers so recommendations for this game is like taking a shot in the dark to them.

I for one really don't care to learn how to build a computer and I would rather have a warranty on one that is built.  I would just like to have a decent rig that can easily run this game.  I do not need or want a machine that's capable of running at speeds this game will never reach in the next 10 years.

I hope I made some sense.

Fred
 

[Fulmar]

I know computer building isn't everyone's forte, for various reasons such as you described above.  You're entitled to do with your money as you please as assessed by your opinions.

Back in the day I used to build some computers for friends as specified by their needs.  I didn't charge anything for my time, I used to do it for the fun of it.  Though I do kind of regret doing it at the time.  It was cheaper to build the PC's from parts (at the time) and I knew they'd be better than what they'd buy off the shelf.  However, if they had a problem I'd gladly fix it, but I felt even though that their doings were the cause of the problems that I was responsible for the 'well being' of the machine.  I kind of hated that feeling and I stopped after building about 5 PC's for people.  I didn't want to make a business out of it and to this day if someone asks me to do it I refuse, but I gladly help them order the parts and help set it up if they want to take the endeavor on themselves.

I'm a more of a do it myself person and I get enjoyment out of servicing things.  So naturally I am a proponent for building and cracking the side of that case off that PC.  But that's not for everyone like I said before.  I think there are only positive things to be gained from these experiences.

[The Fugitive]

Interesting that you make the above statement.  I am one of the ones who really doesn't want to learn all the technical aspects of owning or building a computer.  I will use the analogy of owning a car.  I understand how the cars works, I can operate the car, and I can do basic maintenance on the vehicle, but I can not and do not want to build one.

I have been looking into getting a gaming computer for some time.  Looking at the retail side I have seen prices from $1,200.00 to $6,000.00.  Now not being a computer expert, or having a great amount of knowledge in the area, which would be the one for me.  I see no reason in owning a $6,000.00 rig when the $1,200.00 will run the game just as well.  I will use the car analogy again.  Lets just say Aces High is pop-up camper.  I don't need a Peterbilt to pull it when a Ford F150 is more than enough.  I hope I am making since here.

I would like a computer that will run present day Aces High with enough room to expand as the game does.  We all know the game is not making leaps and bounds because they want as many people to experience the game as possible.  This is the only game I play, and I do not do any fancy editing of pictures or films.  The most I do on a computer is some emails, surf the web, and down load some personal pictures I take while traveling.

When I asked on the forums what I needed, the response I received was so varied, I had to sit back and take another look to see where I was going and what I wanted to do.  The first response was how much do I have to spend.  That's not really the point.  I will spend what I have to but I don't believe in spending money when I don't have to.

I have two good friends that are in the computer business and I could easily have them build one for me, but they are such good friends I know they would not take any money for their time.  I do not like to take advantage of my friends  that's just the way I am, so I am looking elsewhere.  Now they have the knowledge of building computers, but neither one of them are gamers so recommendations for this game is like taking a shot in the dark to them.

I for one really don't care to learn how to build a computer and I would rather have a warranty on one that is built.  I would just like to have a decent rig that can easily run this game.  I do not need or want a machine that's capable of running at speeds this game will never reach in the next 10 years.

I hope I made some sense.

Fred
 

.... and that is the niche that TilDeath has filled. A number of people...some who have built there own before ... have gone to him and ended up buying from him. Give him a call. From what I've been told he will talk with you and set you up with what you want at a good price, as well as back it up.

[Masherbrum]

I know computer building isn't everyone's forte, for various reasons such as you described above.  You're entitled to do with your money as you please as assessed by your opinions.

Back in the day I used to build some computers for friends as specified by their needs.  I didn't charge anything for my time, I used to do it for the fun of it.  Though I do kind of regret doing it at the time.  It was cheaper to build the PC's from parts (at the time) and I knew they'd be better than what they'd buy off the shelf.  However, if they had a problem I'd gladly fix it, but I felt even though that their doings were the cause of the problems that I was responsible for the 'well being' of the machine.  I kind of hated that feeling and I stopped after building about 5 PC's for people.  I didn't want to make a business out of it and to this day if someone asks me to do it I refuse, but I gladly help them order the parts and help set it up if they want to take the endeavor on themselves.

I'm a more of a do it myself person and I get enjoyment out of servicing things.  So naturally I am a proponent for building and cracking the side of that case off that PC.  But that's not for everyone like I said before.  I think there are only positive things to be gained from these experiences.

Bingo!   The day I'd even charge a red cent to a friend for engine swaps, wrenching on Jeeps, working on PC's, building PC's, etc., I'd kill myself.    Friends don't do that.   They should do it because they want to, not for anything else.   

[Ack-Ack]

From all the stories of their experiences with 'TilDeath, I think I am going to have him build my next gaming rig instead of doing it myself.  I don't mind paying the little extra $$$ it would cost, from what I've read about his service it is worth the extra money I'd be spending.


ack-ack

[bmwgs]

From all the stories of their experiences with 'TilDeath, I think I am going to have him build my next gaming rig instead of doing it myself.  I don't mind paying the little extra $$$ it would cost, from what I've read about his service it is worth the extra money I'd be spending.


ack-ack

Beat you to it.  Had a long talk with TilDeath today, and by the end of the conversation I ordered a rig thats going to put you all to shame.  Well, not really, but its going to be a great rig.   

Fred