Trying new moves, suggestions?

[Wingnutt]

to elaborate on what Filth said about speed.

Ive had good results in the jug by doing the following..   SLOWING DOWN when chased.. (when you know you cant get away)

for example, earlier tonight I was in a D40, and chased a lone perk farmer lanc from some strat to his base, killing him just as he reached the ack, as soon as I killed him a nik appears below me, I rope him and get a quick kill..

for fear of getting anchored a try to move away from the enemy base.. but alas a C205 is already 3.0 out with an alt advantage.. no way was I going to out run him..  but I kept on going ..  when he got withing 2.0 I chopped throttle to 1/2 slowing to 250, increasing the rate of closure...  of course the 205, thinking I was running was full wep and in a shallow dive at probably at an excess of 400mph, when he reached 800 out It was  easy to force the overshoot with a hard right turn due to the excessive rate of closure, then Immediately I reversed back left catching a crossing shot as he passed, which took out his oil and fuel, and probably resulted in a PW aswell.. he booked it home and I made my escape.

[BillyD]

Check out Agent 360s K4 training vids. The moves he presents are in a K4 but essetially they form a basis for a neat bag of tricks both defensive and offensive. Opened my eyes to some things as wide as this guy -------> 

Also finding someone to work with you is important, make films and study them.  Most of the awesome sticks in this game I've met are very approachable and would rather teach ACM and pass on fighting skills they have than not help the community at large.

[strong10]

When a guy is very close on your six, try stirring the stick as much as possible(AKA, stick-stirring).  When guys do this I have a hard time hitting them immediately, I have to slow and wait till their arm gets tired..  I do find this move somewhat unrealistic and gamey though.  I like to chop throttle, flaps if slow enough, rudder and barrel roll.. usually gets the overshoot.  Depends on plane you're in and the plane guy is following in. 

[Qrsu]

When a guy is very close on your six, try stirring the stick as much as possible(AKA, stick-stirring).  When guys do this I have a hard time hitting them immediately, I have to slow and wait till their arm gets tired.. 

NO!

You can evade shots much better with clean maneuvers. Plus, when you stick stir it'll just lock your controls for 10 seconds... Really an aggravating way to die, especially if it makes you auger.

[The Fugitive]

NO!

You can evade shots much better with clean maneuvers. Plus, when you stick stir it'll just lock your controls for 10 seconds... Really an aggravating way to die, especially if it makes you auger.

...oh my lord I HOPE you guys are kidding !

[waystin2]

When a guy is very close on your six, try stirring the stick as much as possible(AKA, stick-stirring).  When guys do this I have a hard time hitting them immediately, I have to slow and wait till their arm gets tired..  I do find this move somewhat unrealistic and gamey though.  I like to chop throttle, flaps if slow enough, rudder and barrel roll.. usually gets the overshoot.  Depends on plane you're in and the plane guy is following in. 

 

[JunkyII]

Check out Agent 360s K4 training vids. The moves he presents are in a K4 but essetially they form a basis for a neat bag of tricks both defensive and offensive. Opened my eyes to some things as wide as this guy -------> 

Also finding someone to work with you is important, make films and study them.  Most of the awesome sticks in this game I've met are very approachable and would rather teach ACM and pass on fighting skills they have than not help the community at large.

lol forgot to say, where is this training vid?

[WMLute]

When a guy is very close on your six, try stirring the stick as much as possible(AKA, stick-stirring).  When guys do this I have a hard time hitting them immediately, I have to slow and wait till their arm gets tired..  I do find this move somewhat unrealistic and gamey though.  I like to chop throttle, flaps if slow enough, rudder and barrel roll.. usually gets the overshoot.  Depends on plane you're in and the plane guy is following in. 

And when the guy behind you also chops throttle and stays with you, or goes vert. and stays behind you, you are then even slower with fewer options and STILL have a bad guy on your 6.

Personally, I LOVE players that stick stir.  I know how that fight is gonna end 99.9% of the time.

[Sincraft]

I've done or do most of what is mentioned here, esp the rope ..hey I fly a KI most of the time.

Of course this month, I've been lawn darting due to stall, working with flaps and scissors on a more aggressive level. 

All in all I would give my grade flying the KI a C+.  I don't think anyone would dispute that in either direction.  2 more years I figure I can put the checkbox on that plane.

I think actually the Ki84 is the ultimate trainer.  Not dweeb, not a c47 either.  I'm also a BIG fan of the p51d....but come on who isn't.  Lets face it, if they modeled the guns on that plane correctly the skys would be filled with WAY more of them.  At least that's my opinion on the guns, I think they retarded them a bit in this game, but what do I know - I'm not a huge history buff, I just love aircraft.

So thanks from some of you for the films, and if you see me turning INTO your gunsights for an easy kill, please don't laugh - it's an attempt to do ACM.  Just go ahead and message me "ackshully - yur doin it all wrong" (lolcats style hehe)

[moot]

stirring the stick as much as possible

Waste of energy.

Lets face it, if they modeled the guns on that plane correctly the skys would be filled with WAY more of them.  At least that's my opinion on the guns, I think they retarded them a bit in this game, but what do I know

Do you say so or not?  If you do, show some evidence.

[Sincraft]

Mechanic, I looked at the film 109k vs ki84 on your site, I gotta ask...why didn't that guy shoot earlier?  He had the 109 very early...the 109 was making AWESOME manuevers as if they know exactly how to get a guy to never get a track...but the KI could have landed a sure kill pretty quickly??

Ok I saw the KI one now...I gotta say I only use throttle management when I'm on someone.  I'm ok at sticking on people and matching, but HORRIBLE at evasion..  That's where my problem lies, I guess I have to know when to do what I need to do, for the longest time when outmatched I just try to do something crazy to get out of trouble fast, you guys were dancing for the mistake of the other  - Love the films thus far 

Back to film viewing, man I love the weekends.

[Lye-El]

  Lets face it, if they modeled the guns on that plane correctly the skys would be filled with WAY more of them.  At least that's my opinion on the guns, I think they retarded them a bit in this game, but what do I know - I'm not a huge history buff, I just love aircraft.

Same .50 cal that all the U.S. fighters have. Perhaps you believe the myth of the P-51 as a super plane.

[strong10]

The thread is 'Trying new moves, suggestions?'  Everyone has there two cents on every move.  Let's provide some suggestions, not just say no to this, no to that.  Here is another 'move':  Reduce throttle slightly when trying to get on someones six in a turn fight and try and 'settle' on there six rather than go for a quick deflection shot.  It takes patience for this and you may not have time for this in a furball but if 1v1 it is prudent. 
Something to avoid:  Looping 'over the top' in a furball with enemy above(Without good situational awareness).  This is a good way to get 'picked'.

[BillyD]

lol forgot to say, where is this training vid?

It's in the help and training section of this BBS of course. He just bumped the thread the other day.

[CAP1]

The thread is 'Trying new moves, suggestions?'  Everyone has there two cents on every move.  Let's provide some suggestions, not just say no to this, no to that.  Here is another 'move':  Reduce throttle slightly when trying to get on someones six in a turn fight and try and 'settle' on there six rather than go for a quick deflection shot.  It takes patience for this and you may not have time for this in a furball but if 1v1 it is prudent. 
Something to avoid:  Looping 'over the top' in a furball with enemy above(Without good situational awareness).  This is a good way to get 'picked'.

what i used to have work for me a LOT, was to let him get close......around 2k, then start a gentle turn in either direction, as if i was already planning it...like i don't know he's there. as he gets closer,i lower throttle, and pull tighter, watching him the entire time. if he tries to keep re-adjusting for a shot, i know i'll get a good sot at him. as he's trying to pull inside me, i use top rudder, and a little aielron to sort of roll up and over. usually, he'll go blasting right on by me, giving me a quick shot at him. if i ping him, good, if not, i just set up for a fight, hoping he's bled enough speed in his attempts to line up his shot, that it'll give me t least a little chance.