Trying new moves, suggestions?

[MachFly]

Try watching dogfights (The TV show). I learned most of what I know from that.

so.....you ho a lot then?
 

Was Guadalcanal the only episode you watched? Because it did have 1 ho. FYI there are 28 episodes, so the way I see it is you aether do not understand what they show or watched only 1.

[CAP1]

so.....you ho a lot then?
 


Was Guadalcanal the only episode you watched? Because it did have 1 ho. FYI there are 28 episodes, so the way I see it is you aether do not understand what they show or watched only 1.

the majority of the episodes i saw showed them trying to ho each other. funny thing is, that i don;t recall ever reading that when i read this stuff as a kid. or as a teen, or young adult.

[Wingnutt]

I wouldn't recommend using dogfights as a refrence to playing this game..  considering you will "learn" that a 51 turns better than a 109 (what 51 and what 109? who knows) and that a 190 does not have enough ammo to kill a jug.

[MachFly]

I wouldn't recommend using dogfights as a refrence to playing this game..  considering you will "learn" that a 51 turns better than a 109 (what 51 and what 109? who knows) and that a 190 does not have enough ammo to kill a jug.

Do you know how many kills that 190 made right before he attacked P-47, maybe he really did not have enough ammo. BTW I was ones in a P-41/D11 and I was very low on fuel so I could not maneuver, spit 16 got on my 6 and started spraying, same thing happened as in dogfights.
When they said that the P-51 turn better they were talking about the D and comparing it with the late war 109. When I fly a mustang and get into a turn fight with a 109G I always win.

[MachFly]

the majority of the episodes i saw showed them trying to ho each other. funny thing is, that i don;t recall ever reading that when i read this stuff as a kid. or as a teen, or young adult.

Can you list me the episodes in that case.
I remember 2:
1. Guadalcanal: F4F vs A6M, and yes I would do the same thing, who would dogfight a zero on F4F?
2. don't remember the name, it was during the korean war, a piston engine fighter went for a HO with Mig-15, I would do the same thing, why would even try dogfighting Mig-15 on any piston engine fighter?

[Wingnutt]

Do you know how many kills that 190 made right before he attacked P-47, maybe he really did not have enough ammo. BTW I was ones in a P-41/D11 and I was very low on fuel so I could not maneuver, spit 16 got on my 6 and started spraying, same thing happened as in dogfights.
When they said that the P-51 turn better they were talking about the D and comparing it with the late war 109. When I fly a mustang and get into a turn fight with a 109G I always win.

thats just it, YOU know this, but they dont say it in the show..  the 190/jug example they just stated that the 190 sprayed the jug till it was out of ammo and left.. that was it..

and the 51D/109... they never specify what make of 109 or anything else..

thats the thing with that show.. a P51 is a P51, a spit is a spit, a 190 is a 190 etc etc.. they VERY seldom mention the variants, or the extenuating circumstances that played into things turning out they way the did. They just present it in they way that is the most entertaining.


if you come away from that show thinking you got much more than anything but a little entertainment... good luck.

5 minutes reading the trainers page or even some searching on here will teach you more than an entire season of that show.

[Qrsu]

The thread is 'Trying new moves, suggestions?'  Everyone has there two cents on every move.  Let's provide some suggestions, not just say no to this, no to that.  Here is another 'move':  Reduce throttle slightly when trying to get on someones six in a turn fight and try and 'settle' on there six rather than go for a quick deflection shot.  It takes patience for this and you may not have time for this in a furball but if 1v1 it is prudent. 
Something to avoid:  Looping 'over the top' in a furball with enemy above(Without good situational awareness).  This is a good way to get 'picked'.

My appologies Strong, I didn't mean to discount your contributions. I agree with you on the throttle work and patience on the shot. I was only disagreeing with the 'stick stirring' simply because even though it may work with those who are overly aggressive and likely to overshoot... Against a more veteran oponent who is likely to throttle back or high yo-yo the stickstirrer will just lose his controls (Don't move your controls so rapidly!) and likely end up shot or auger.

Anyway, I just wanted to clear that up. Throttle management + fluid control of the aircraft = good. Stickstirring = risky.

[Motherland]

Do you know how many kills that 190 made right before he attacked P-47, maybe he really did not have enough ammo. BTW I was ones in a P-41/D11 and I was very low on fuel so I could not maneuver, spit 16 got on my 6 and started spraying, same thing happened as in dogfights.
When they said that the P-51 turn better they were talking about the D and comparing it with the late war 109. When I fly a mustang and get into a turn fight with a 109G I always win.

Do you fly in the DA lake? the 109G turns better than the 109K, both of which turn significantly better than the P51 under most conditions.
Also, IIRC that 190 was on a fairy flight and was not loaded with 20mm cannons or the full amount of ammo for the MG17's.

[CAP1]

Can you list me the episodes in that case.
I remember 2:
1. Guadalcanal: F4F vs A6M, and yes I would do the same thing, who would dogfight a zero on F4F?
2. don't remember the name, it was during the korean war, a piston engine fighter went for a HO with Mig-15, I would do the same thing, why would even try dogfighting Mig-17 on any piston engine fighter?

i'll find the list later.

i dare you to go against lazydog2 in his f4f. he'll eat ya for lunch.  him and i have had our differences, but he's a kickarse good pilot in that thing.

why would you try to ho a mig17? didn't it have 30mm cannons???

[MachFly]

Do you fly in the DA lake?

no, i don't

thats just it, YOU know this, but they dont say it in the show..  the 190/jug example they just stated that the 190 sprayed the jug till it was out of ammo and left.. that was it..

and the 51D/109... they never specify what make of 109 or anything else..

thats the thing with that show.. a P51 is a P51, a spit is a spit, a 190 is a 190 etc etc.. they VERY seldom mention the variants, or the extenuating circumstances that played into things turning out they way the did. They just present it in they way that is the most entertaining

If you ever noticed when they show the pilot, behind him is this blue print of the plane and on the top right corner it always tells you the exact model.

I was talking about the specific maneuvering they do and explain when and where to do it, they don't tell you "if your on P-51D fighting again Bf 109G-6 do that" they just explain in what situation to do a maneuver.

if you come away from that show thinking you got much more than anything but a little entertainment... good luck.

5 minutes reading the trainers page or even some searching on here will teach you more than an entire season of that show.

I guess it depends what level of skill you are talking about, so for you it might not help. Dogfights teaches you how to think like a fighter pilot, you don't get they from reading the trainer site.
If you don't believe me, look at my K/D

[MachFly]

i dare you to go against lazydog2 in his f4f. he'll eat ya for lunch.  him and i have had our differences, but he's a kickarse good pilot in that thing.

well, I don't know lazydog so I can't tell you much about that.

why would you try to ho a mig17? didn't it have 30mm cannons???

yes it did LMAO, that's not my point. I'm saying how else can you kill a jet? 262s are hard to kill, Mig-15 is so much better.

[Wingnutt]

I guess it depends what level of skill you are talking about, so for you it might not help. Dogfights teaches you how to think like a fighter pilot, you don't get they from reading the trainer site.
If you don't believe me, look at my K/D

Yea, I can only manage a pathetic 3.20 K/D flying noob easymode planes like Jugs  I guess I should watch more dogfights   

[CAP1]

well, I don't know lazydog so I can't tell you much about that.

yes it did LMAO, that's not my point. I'm saying how else can you kill a jet? 262s are hard to kill, Mig-15 is so much better.

it would depend on the prop fighter. skyraiders were pretty fast....as were the corsairs still in use i think? and the ponys?

 ingame, a long time ago, i killed a 262 in a spit. it can be done. i think even on dogfights..since you like that series...they had some 262 kills.

 as for lazy....like i said...we've had our differences, but look him up, and take a zeek against his f4f. it'llbe a fun fight, but you'll land in the tower. most likely

[MachFly]

it would depend on the prop fighter. skyraiders were pretty fast....as were the corsairs still in use i think? and the ponys?

 ingame, a long time ago, i killed a 262 in a spit. it can be done. i think even on dogfights..since you like that series...they had some 262 kills.

 as for lazy....like i said...we've had our differences, but look him up, and take a zeek against his f4f. it'llbe a fun fight, but you'll land in the tower. most likely

I killed a 262 in a spit 14 ones a well, but we are talking about MIG-15, IT'S SO MUCH BETTER!!!
And as for lazydog, last time he flew was Tour 108, and he did not have a single kill in F4F. Maybe your confusing the F4F with the FM2, because he did get 104 kills in mid war tour 108, but FM2 is totally different from F4F, turns much tighter & has more power.

[strong10]

My appologies Strong, I didn't mean to discount your contributions. I agree with you on the throttle work and patience on the shot. I was only disagreeing with the 'stick stirring' simply because even though it may work with those who are overly aggressive and likely to overshoot... Against a more veteran oponent who is likely to throttle back or high yo-yo the stickstirrer will just lose his controls (Don't move your controls so rapidly!) and likely end up shot or auger.

Anyway, I just wanted to clear that up. Throttle management + fluid control of the aircraft = good. Stickstirring = risky.

Oh no sweat Qrsu..  I dont stick stir and think its really silly to do that for sure.  I throttle back and wait.  I'm just throwing ideas out for a newer guy to try.  Some will work better when your new and as one gets more experience, other/different things will work better.  There is so much to learn in this game you could write a book on it.  The ACM is the hardest because of its fluidity ie: a move works great in one situation and bad in another.  Very tough to remember all of that stuff as a experienced guy, let alone a new guy.  The one that I always forget is dont go after the buffs if there are fighters around like I'm in some kind of buff trance...lol 'BUFFFS,BUFFFS MUST GET THE BUFFS'

I think the fighters show doesnt really teach you much, I love watching it though.  I did learn one lesson though from the Medal of Honor hero that was sold for a bad of rice.  He said if you ever get a float plane in your sights, dont mess around, just shoot him down because there is a crack shot tail-gunner that will mess you up. Lol.  His story was probably my favorite.