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Offline MachFly

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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2009, 12:36:33 AM »
That's why you give them the perks up front. How many noobs would love to tool around in the Tiger or Tempest or 262? With this method, they could use up their perks however they wanted. What noob doesn't want the best stuff? And if they didn't want to blow it on 262s and Tigers, they could get more than enough sorties to become familiar with the game. But eventually the perks run out and they have to learn to use more challenging hardware. As it is now, the top four planes comprise what, 20% + of the planeset usage? What if everyone just decides to fly the only the best in order to keep up with the Joneses? It seems to be headed in that direction. Why even implement new planes unless they are mega-uber because they will gather dust bunnies in the hangar? The hangar is like The Island of Misfit Toys. So many cartoon planes that don't get taken out. They're crying.  :cry

Here are some examples of the # of sorties each noob can get to use the training wheel stuff:

1500 perks = 375 sorties in a P-51D (@4 perks/sortie)
               = 300 sorties in a Spit XVI (@5 perks/sortie)
               = 500 sorties in a Typhoon (@3 perks/sortie)
               = 150 sorties in a heavy buff formation (@10 perks/formation)
               = 300 sorties in a wirble (@5 perks/sortie)

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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2009, 12:38:39 AM »
There IS variety in high-speed b'n'z aircraft. These are the planes that run 355mph on the deck or better. 51s, D9s, Late 109s, Typhoons, F4Us P-47Ns to a lesser extent...you are liable to run into all of them them on every sortie. History Channel mentality skews this list abit to the 51 of course, but all these models have their strong and weak points inside the b'n'z niche.

There is also some variety in sure-nough, no doubt about it t'n'b aircraft. Any fight low and slow enough for them to be appropriate, you are liable to see A6Ms, HurriIICs, FM2s, Seafires, and the split-personality Corsair will make an appearance again, having dropped flaps and begun to make use of its tiny turn radius. You'll see a SpitV now and again.

The real problem comes in for planes of only moderate maneuverability and only moderate speed(320-360mph OTD), planes that nonetheless could potentially out-run and/or outclimb the Hurris, Zekes, and FM2s etc, and out-turn the Ponies and Doras b'n'z'ing them. For instance, the F6F, P38, P-39s, P-40s, P47Ds, 109G2, 109G6, 190As, Yak-9T, Ki-61, Ki-84, C205, and, oddly enough, the SpitIX. (I'm thinking of deliberate a2a use here, not the lemming-style bomb truck use the Hellcat, Lightning, and Thunderbolt see commonly.)

 But unfortunately for these aircraft, the SpitXVI is basically superior as a fighter at typical MA alts, and very common (as we can expect such an excellent a2a fighter to be)  Why fly any of the above listed middle-class planes when you can have something that has a better turn rate, and usually turn radius, a nicer gun package, much better E-building properties, rolls alot better, and doesn't have much in the way of quirky dive or handling traits, AND your chief opposition will be said wonderful machine?



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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2009, 12:47:26 AM »
So how do you expect them to like AHII?
You expect them to take a P-40 or something is absolutely no experiences and kill someone who has been flying for a year in spit 16?

No, I expect them to die.. over and over again..  there is no fun to be had in instant success anyway.. the fun is in progress.. advancing in skill and hardware..

there is plenty if churn, plenty of other noobs to fight when you are just starting out.. granted you will get obliterated when you come up against a vet.. but that's how it SHOULD be, that encourages, not discourages.. Improvement and perseverance . sure there will be people who quit immediately after getting shot down over and over on their first day... oh well..  you come into this game thinking day one your are going to stand a chance against people who have been playing for years and know what your are going to do 5 moves before you do.... you are deluded anyway. 

instant gratification is the biggest spoiler of real fun, nobody should expect access to the best when they first start, it should be a goal to strive for, something to hone skills and work hard to attain..

think back to early Nintendo..  stage 1 Level 1.. did you start out with the biggest baddest weapon in the game?


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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2009, 12:55:13 AM »
Show me where I have advocated that.  I never have and never will.  I think your idiotic drive to perk the Spit XVI is blinding you.

If, perchance, you are referring to my comments on the P-51D, those comments are not intended to advocate perking the P-51D, but to show the blatant absurdity of your claims that the Spit XVI is unbalancing.

I thought you advocated perking on the basis of use. If I am wrong about that, I guess I deserve that "idiot" remark for getting my BBS posters confused.

No one seems to know what "unbalancing" is, and I frankly don't care. I think if a fighter is superior enough in almost all measurables to a large cross-section of other fighters, that can potentially inhibit the viability of those fighters and reduce variety, and *lightly* perking that one fighter might be of benefit. I think the double-superiority standard makes at least as much sense as the use standard (already discussed, at length), or the K/D standard (Would lead to the P-38J being perked, but not the P-38L. That sound sensible to you?), or date of introduction/rarity standard, which caused the Ta-152 to be perked and *still* causes it to have an absurd low ENY number.

Here is the screwy part: If a vote came up tomorrow about whether or not to perk the SpitXVI, I might have to flip a coin. I would want its perk price to hover around 1-3 points, I certainly would not vote for it to be perked more than 5 points. I also think the XIV needs to have its perk price lowered. I am not a Spitfire hater, nor do I criticize or call names those who choose to use the best tools HTC gives them for free. But the excuses, the reaching for straws, the willingness to do anything besides discuss a2a performance, including iniating rancor with me, all in the service of what...status quo-ism? I can't imagine. This is what annoys me so profoundly.

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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2009, 04:10:00 AM »
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#2. All new AH2 players get 1,500 perks in each category to play with. This lets them fly the uber rides for a while so they at least have a chance. Existing customers get their perk categories bumped up to 500 if they are below that number.

Nice idea. +1   :aok
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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2009, 09:59:07 AM »
How can you perk the Wirbelwind! It's no match for a bomb being dropped on it's head, just like every other vehicle I might add. -1



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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2009, 10:18:15 AM »
If HTC would allow me, I'd hand out my perks to anyone who wanted them.   5,000 bomber perks, 6,100 gv perks, 4,000 fighter.   262's are my weakness, there is nothing better than watching cons scatter like cockroaches at sun up.   

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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2009, 11:26:22 AM »
How can you perk the Wirbelwind! It's no match for a bomb being dropped on it's head, just like every other vehicle I might add. -1

Just like no aircraft lifting off the runway is a match for 4 20mm cannons vulching it from 1k away. HTC has perk vehicles for a reason: some vehicles are much better than others. The fastest way to take down a town is with two wirbles. The wirble has relegated the Ostwind to virtual hangar queen status and the M-16 into mothballs. When I see people landing kills in a vehicle, they are usually either the M4 or the WW. Perhaps Lusche could drop in with a usage chart for vehicles. The wirble is easy mode and 5 perks are pretty easy to come by. And as mentioned before, you would get plenty to start with.
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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2009, 12:36:02 PM »
That's why you give them the perks up front. How many noobs would love to tool around in the Tiger or Tempest or 262? With this method, they could use up their perks however they wanted. What noob doesn't want the best stuff? And if they didn't want to blow it on 262s and Tigers, they could get more than enough sorties to become familiar with the game. But eventually the perks run out and they have to learn to use more challenging hardware. As it is now, the top four planes comprise what, 20% + of the planeset usage? What if everyone just decides to fly the only the best in order to keep up with the Joneses? It seems to be headed in that direction. Why even implement new planes unless they are mega-uber because they will gather dust bunnies in the hangar? The hangar is like The Island of Misfit Toys. So many cartoon planes that don't get taken out. They're crying.  :cry

Here are some examples of the # of sorties each noob can get to use the training wheel stuff:

1500 perks = 375 sorties in a P-51D (@4 perks/sortie)
               = 300 sorties in a Spit XVI (@5 perks/sortie)
               = 500 sorties in a Typhoon (@3 perks/sortie)
               = 150 sorties in a heavy buff formation (@10 perks/formation)
               = 300 sorties in a wirble (@5 perks/sortie)
Then why bother perking them at all?  Oh, because the new players are likely to unknowingly blow their perks on Me262s and Tempest Vs, and then wonder why they can only fly P-40Bs.
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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2009, 12:43:32 PM »
Then why bother perking them at all?  Oh, because the new players are likely to unknowingly blow their perks on Me262s and Tempest Vs, and then wonder why they can only fly P-40Bs.

no because it adds a penalty for death, instead of being able to up, HO, die over and over and over in a La7.   People already stated that they are too impatient crybabys to have any sort of time out for deaths, so this is the other approach.

and if a noob wants to up a 262 and blow all their perks in the first hour..  well that would be a pretty moronic thing to do... oh well.

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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2009, 01:12:03 PM »
And for those that do not fly anything outside the German plane set (except an occasional Macchi) ?

I would like the idea of not seeing so many spixteens, LA's and ponies.  Hell, even perk the Dora if you like.  I can't see perking any more F4U's, or the 109 K-4.  Neither is a very "easy" plane to jump into and use to their full advantage, and most people don't fly the 30mm cannon birds because they can't hit anything, anyhow.  If you see someone in either one of them, they are either exceptionally good in them, or terrible.

What about (and I'm just throwing this out there because I am at work, and very bored) making the "easy" mode planes that this thread was started about HARDER to fly according to how "good" you become at the game?  That is the simplest way I can put it.  There is nothing worse than seeing someone that you know is a good stick, flying a dweeb plane.
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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2009, 01:18:13 PM »
This thread makes me  :lol
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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2009, 01:20:03 PM »
This thread makes me  :lol

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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2009, 02:48:02 PM »
oh yea, double the monthly rate..   make up for the losers that cant hack it quitting, and weed out some riffraff.

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Re: another dumb wish
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2009, 04:06:25 PM »
hehe this is very entertaining.............
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