More Ponies !

[Anaxogoras]

I'm not "picking" on any particular aircraft. I do however think it's a bit much to expect HTC to model each and every subtle variation of any aircraft, regardless of the differences in oil cooler size, main gear size, bulges, etc.
Gaps in the planeset are there for all countries, not just the Axis rides.  Expecting one side to make do with what we have now, but stating a need for additional planes for the other side gets old after a while (well, like 8, going on 9 years now).

I'm in favor of more variants for all aircraft, not just 109s.

[eddiek]

"I'm in favor of more variants for all aircraft, not just 109s"

Then we're in agreement.

[Guppy35]

Agreed. Diehard's off his rocker on this one.

Oh, and please note the Mustangs didn't start showing up in numbers until early 1944, so your claims of having a 1943 version are baffling.

Also, "optional 6-guns on P-51C"???

Bs and Cs are identical. They were just made at different plants, each with their own designation.

Facetious request.

Oh oh, agreeing with Krusty

What is this 6 gun P51B/C you speak of.  Never seen or heard of it.

As for a 1943 version, it wouldn't have a fuselage fuel tank, and would suffer from a lot of gun problems, engine problems, icing etc.  Took a while to work out the bugs.

I think the 51s are represented quite nicely for 44-45.

[Steve]

The P-51's we have now are only representative for a 1943 and early-1944 Pony, contemporaries of the 109G-6 . We lack the 109G-14's and K-4's contemporary P-51's.

I've always maintained that the 51 is not a very good ride compared to other late war planes.

[moot]

It's an excellent ride.  I could hold my own against bighorn in a K4, 1:1. And we know that 1:1 isn't where the 51 really shines.

[Steve]

It's an excellent ride.  I could hold my own against bighorn in a K4, 1:1. And we know that 1:1 isn't where the 51 really shines.

Two things:  you are an exceptional stick so you skew the norm.   Did you win?

[Die Hard]

Lmao!!

Perk the 150 octane fuel!!

I don't think aircraft that weren't designed with 150 octane fuel in mind would fare too well in the long run, or at all without modifications.

It would be like putting racing fuel in my stock Northstar engine. Boom!!

No it wouldn't. 150 octane fuel is not more explosive than 130 octane fuel. In fact it is slightly less explosive since they had to add PEP additives to increase the octane rating. Perhaps you should google what octane actually means in this context.

When did 150 octane get introduced?  Was it available to all Western Allied ac or just a few modified ones?
You see where I am going here?  If the 51 gets it would all late model Western ac want it?

Like I said in my initial post I'm not really a huge P-51 fan, but I am of the impression that 150 octane fuel was standard on the Merlins in late 1944. I know the Ponies and Spits used it; don't know about other engines/aircraft.

There are substantial differences in the handling and performance of the Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6 and Bf109G-14...

Ok, which handling differences (that are modeled in AH) are not a direct result of engine or armament changes (weight, bulges, torque, CG etc.) ?

I hate to fall back upon such a simple argument, but if you think that engine performance and armament are the only differences in the Gustav lineup, you're just not familiar enough with the airplane to draw an assessment of any value.  Sorry.

I've flown the 109, sometimes exclusively, for the last 5 years. So I'll just disregard your comment.



Me being a 109 fan is actually part of the reason I made this thread; every time I up a 109K and run into a Pony I feel like I'm cheating. The early-1944 Ponies had about 1,700 hp available at WEP on 130 octane fuel. In late-1944 that same Pony would have about 2,000 hp running on 150 octane fuel. That's a huge performance gain that simply isn't modeled in AH.

[RTHolmes]

When did 150 octane get introduced?  Was it available to all Western Allied ac or just a few modified ones?
You see where I am going here?  If the 51 gets it would all late model Western ac want it?

iirc it was standard issue to RAF fighter squadrons in late '44. Spits, Mossies and Tempests all showed big performance increases with 150, imagine the whines

[moot]

Two things:  you are an exceptional stick so you skew the norm.   Did you win?

No.. it was slightly in bighorn's ("another" exceptional stick) favor. Something like 7 out of 10 for him, with 1-2 of his wins neck and neck.  The P51D's an excellent fighter.  Freez and I winged up with it after something like months of non stop luftwaffe stuff.  We were just speechless over vox..    The sky is the pony pilot's canvas.

With late war mods like 150 octane, you could really rock the skies.

[JunkyII]

An aircraft that served for a year and half in the ETO is more important than two that served nearly 5 years?
 

P51 was the best fighter in the european theater so i think its got to be pretty important

[Anaxogoras]

P51 was the best fighter in the european theater so i think its got to be pretty important

The "best fighter" honor would have to go to the Me-262, and it's not even close.

[Stampf]

NVM.

[Saurdaukar]

I've flown the 109, sometimes exclusively, for the last 5 years. So I'll just disregard your comment.

Your previous statements suggests otherwise.

Try turning the stall limiter off, maybe?

[Die Hard]

Your previous statements suggests otherwise.

Try turning the stall limiter off, maybe?

You're a funny guy. Instead of your lame one-liners how about explaining why you think I'm wrong?

[Chalenge]

The "best fighter" honor would have to go to the Me-262, and it's not even close.

Hardly. The 262 was a piece of junk.