Training request [109G-6 or G-14 or P51B]

[Ciaphas]

Was wondering if there was anybody that could spare the time in the mornings ( 0800-1000 PST) to help me learn the basics for either of these aircraft. If you are willing to teach me a bit about these birds could you please contact me to set up training times..   

Cheers,
Ciaphas

[j500ss]

I am guessing you mean 109 and not 190. Look on the second page in this fourm for Agent360's films.  I believe it's titled " Reposting of Agent360 films"   A number of them are narrated, LOTS to be learned fro them for sure.  There are a number of really good 109 guys in game for sure, so hopefully you will find some help. 

Good luck and have fun   

[Ciaphas]

I love typos... 

I will check them out. Thanks!

[Anaxogoras]

Agent's films are for the 109K-4, not the G-6 or G-14.  They are somewhat applicable to the G-14, but less so for the G-6.  There's a lot of moves he demonstrates that have you getting as slow as possible, and then using the K-4's massive horse power to speed up or climb like a homesick angel.  Ironically, though the G-6 and G-14 are less competitive in the main arena, they require less training in specialty moves for success.

[Qrsu]

A list of a few good 109 sticks that show up in the TA now and again:

• Mar: I think I've lost every encounter with him to this day.
• TheBug: Don't know if he goes in there often, but he said he used to. He taught me most of what I know now.
• BigRat: I seem to recall him claiming the 109 to be one of his favored rides... he's an excellent pilot. See him in there often.

Of course there are a lot of good sticks that fly in the TA most of the time (Morfiend comes to mind) that would probably help you out greatly. Of course there are also the trainers!

A few tips with any 109:

• One of the best climbers in the game vs any planeset, comparable to the Spitfires ( the 109F-4 vs Spit V; 109K-4 vs Spit XVI) Anything else... it should best more often than not. Use the vertical as much as you can - it will let you beat out flat turners a lot of the time and roping in the 109 is easy.
• Flap, throttle and rudder work is important. First notch can deploy at 200 IAS and they work really well. Very stable plane with full flaps extended at stall speeds as long as you don't gun the throttle and tork the plane into the ground.
• Guns are kinda weak, the 20mm Mk 108 cannon has poor ballistics and you only get one (unless you equip gondolas) ... I'd get as close to 200 yards before firing. The K-4 has the 30mm and the same can be said for that one, the closer the better.
• Controls get real heavy at around 425-450 IAS.

I know someone is going to turn around and correct me on some of this but hopefully it helps you some what. 

[Anaxogoras]

Guns are kinda weak, the 20mm Mk 108 cannon has poor ballistics and you only get one (unless you equip gondolas) ... I'd get as close to 200 yards before firing. The K-4 has the 30mm and the same can be said for that one, the closer the better.[/li][/list]

The guns only seem weak if your gunnery is poor.  Secondly, the 109F-4, G-2, G-6, and G-14 are armed with a 20mm MG 151.  Its ballistics are comparable to the Ho-105 and Shvak 20mm cannons, all of which have decent ballistics.  The 109K-4 has the challenging, low velocity 30mm Mk 108.

MG 151: ~755m/s
MK 108: ~540m/s

[Ciaphas]

Thanks guys!

So far this has been a hug help. I have been watching Agent's videos and while they are designed for the K-4 it still gives me ideas and a rough understanding of the planes capabilities. Make sense?


Cheers,
Ciaphas

[Qrsu]

The guns only seem weak if your gunnery is poor.  Secondly, the 109F-4, G-2, G-6, and G-14 are armed with a 20mm MG 151.  Its ballistics are comparable to the Ho-105 and Shvak 20mm cannons, all of which have decent ballistics.  The 109K-4 has the challenging, low velocity 30mm Mk 108.

MG 151: ~755m/s
MK 108: ~540m/s

I knew something was going to be wrong. 

[MjTalon]

I knew something was going to be wrong. 

We luft weanies take great pride in accurate equipment references. 

[Ciaphas]

I need to learn throttle control. It's something I just don't understand a whole lot about.

[Agent360]

The throttle does a few things for you other than make you go fast.

When you start to knife fight ( get slow and scissor) it is very useful to use the massive tork of the plane to maneuver.

Pulling the throttle off (not slamming it off) then left rudder and slamming it on will fling your plane over and slew the nose around. The timed use of wep at the same time will also produce even more tork. With the nose up and stalling you can make the plane do amazing stall turns.

Turning right when slow can be hard. But if you cut throttle to zero quickly,,,right rudder and roll hard then slam it on again after the turn you can make the plane turn just fine to the right.

Anytime the nose is pointed down (below horizontal) you will gain speed quickly. If you need to get your nose back up quick you must cut the throttle.

Flaps wont come out unless you are under 200 mph. So you must pay attention to the speed. Contolling the speed such that you can deploy flaps to maneuver then gain E is all throttle dependant.

A common mistake 109 sticks make is to nose down gain speed then pull up...now they hit the wep and climb like crazy after the target. What you really want to do is glide down and up...when going up pull the throttle OFF and get your flaps out. Once they come out hit the wep and continue to climb.

When I finally get in close and cut the seperation down my goal is to MAKE THE OTHER GUY FLY CIRCLES AROUN ME  cutting his turn every time. The faster he stays like this the better.

As a learning drill get in the MA and put your throttle at exactly half speed. DO NOT TOUCH the throttle. Now engage and maneuver without using the throttle. This will force you to manage your energy and make you understand how to use the verticle. At some point you start thinking I need speed..or I need to slow down. You will have the almost overpowering feeling of using the throttle. But do not touch it.

AFter you do this a few times it will become very clear when the throttle should be on and when it should be off. And you will know when to use the throttle to tork the plane. Try it..you will be very surprised how you can out fly many planes with only half throttle.

[Ciaphas]

All,

Thanks for the great tips. I will be practicing my rear off!

Cheers,
Ciaphas

[Saurdaukar]

I'd be glad to show you 109 basics during those times - but only on the weekends.

Dont know the 51B near well enough to be anything but a bad student.

[Ciaphas]

I'd be glad to show you 109 basics during those times - but only on the weekends.

Thanks for the offer man, though weekends are usual reserved for my family. I'm not saying that I never fly on the weekends as I fly when I can and that often changes from week to week..

 

[Masherbrum]

I'd be glad to show you 109 basics during those times - but only on the weekends.

Dont know the 51B near well enough to be anything but a bad student.

Dweeb