Author Topic: Please give us LW gun selection.......... (Read 1360 times)

hazed- · « **on:** October 31, 2001, 04:47:00 PM »

Please give the LW (and any others that had them) aircraft the ability to select individual cannons or set them to all firing.The aircraft we have had them, Ive read about the electric selectors the LW incorperated.It is very usefull(in fact it is incredibly important on the 190a8 with its 30mm)

I often waste 30mm because im forced to fire them in the first few seconds of a fight when I really need to save them for later.(de-acking is a prime example)
the final approach when attacking bombers is another.Having to hold fire as you run in is a problem with the effective range of bomber guns being so good.firing 20mm from distance then activating 30mm close in would be a fantastic addition.
I ask in all respect, this is not a whine or complaint. merely a request.

ra · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2001, 04:56:00 PM »

Hazed,

Next time you're de-acking try using the cowl guns only. They work almost as well and will save you both 20mm and 30mm.

ra

Wotan · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2001, 05:30:00 PM »

ra is correct there hazed cowl guns kill aa with ease.

however a "selector" switch would be great.

Vermillion · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2001, 05:36:00 PM »

Sorry 190A8 fans, but you don't want the way the gun selectors worked in real life.

According to the 190A8 pilots manual, the electrical firing circuit had two "on/off" switches. Switch #1 controlled the Cowl guns and the inner cannons. Switch #2 controlled the outboard cannons and any gondola's.

At least in AH you can fire only cannons or only MG's.

Me and R4M went round and round about this, until I finally mailed him a copy of the manual.

Furious · « **Reply #4 on:** October 31, 2001, 05:58:00 PM »

Vermillion,

If that was how it was, that is how I would like it.

It seems that this is one of the things we can have be as historically accurate as possible without putting an undue burden on the pilot/player.

Now that I know this it seems very "gamey". Was it selectable or programmable in the field?

F.

Citabria · « **Reply #5 on:** October 31, 2001, 07:17:00 PM »

if thats how real 190s worked I would like this change as well.

link the 20mm and cowl mg fire together and give outer cannons their own separate fire toggle

R4M · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2001, 08:41:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Vermillion:
Sorry 190A8 fans, but you don't want the way the gun selectors worked in real life.

According to the 190A8 pilots manual, the electrical firing circuit had two "on/off" switches. Switch #1 controlled the Cowl guns and the inner cannons. Switch #2 controlled the outboard cannons and any gondola's.

At least in AH you can fire only cannons or only MG's.

Me and R4M went round and round about this, until I finally mailed him a copy of the manual.

I agree, you are right on how the guns worked. But you are wrong on that we dont want it. I'd rather get the historical setting, as bad it may be

.

BTW I'd also like to get the chance NOT to fly with 13mm MGs (as lots of real life 190s did

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juzz · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2001, 12:25:00 AM »

Using the arming panel the pilot could only choose between either cowl + inner or outer guns to fire individually, but - I think the pilot could also manipulate the circuit breakers on the side console and be able to fire any combination of guns you want.

pimpjoe · « **Reply #8 on:** November 01, 2001, 12:35:00 AM »

or have whole other ammo counter....1rst, 2nd, and 3rd weapons. just a thought

Glasses · « **Reply #9 on:** November 02, 2001, 06:59:00 AM »

Exactly that's what i'm thinking using the backspace key when togling between bombs and Cannon,and also to be used in the fashion that you can control which guns you would fire first.

[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Glasses ]

Vermillion · « **Reply #10 on:** November 02, 2001, 11:10:00 AM »

I'll look and see what I can find on that juzz

I've never heard that before. Interesting.

Fishu · « **Reply #11 on:** November 02, 2001, 11:31:00 AM »

Maybe HTC should redo whole armament selection, to more flexible one.
Instead of having solid amount of armament slots that are either empty or filled up to last slot, have a pulldown menu for each gun group.
Maybe not as 'cool' hangar screen, but it would be better interface when you could see list of all guns at same time rather than pointing mouse over all of them and only have limited amount of selections due to current slot system there is..

This would also give more flexibility with bomb/rocket selections.
No need to make up settings within limits of the 'slot' system.

oh well, radical thoughts.. hey, current system has already lived over two years, why not a little overhaul... theres already been other overhauls

Hooligan · « **Reply #12 on:** November 02, 2001, 12:00:00 PM »

Currently when you hit the backspace key you cycle through secondary weapons. It actually probably wouldn't be too horrible a job to change definitions for various aircraft as to what consitutes "primary" and "secondary" weapons and to allow overlap (i.e. one set "secondary" weapons might include a subset or superset of some other "secondary" selection).

It seems like a worthwhile change to me.

Hooligan

Apache · « **Reply #13 on:** November 02, 2001, 12:15:00 PM »

Agreed. Although I don't fly LW aircraft, if they had it, then so should AH LW. I can see why these guys would want this ability. It does seem a waste to fire 30mm on a target that doesn't need it. Apparently the RL LW did too?

hazed- · « **Reply #14 on:** November 07, 2001, 09:52:00 AM »

<PUNT>

The reason i asked for this was that selectable weapons was a unique characteristic of LW aircraft.It was an advantage over spitfires etc and therefore should be part of the make-up of the 190s etc

If I'm mistaken and other aircraft also had this ability to switch then they should get them too.