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Offline Kratzer

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« on: October 31, 2001, 05:20:00 PM »
How do you refer to squadrons?  For example, you guys are "4° Stormo Caccia" is the '°' for 'degrees', as it would be in english?  Would you say '4 degrees Stormo Caccia'?

Can you recommend a good english language book on Italian WWII aircraft?  Since I've adopted the C.205 as my new baby, I've been interested in reading up on the subject.  :)

Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2001, 07:05:00 PM »
Try the ospery Aircraft of the aces # 34:
  Italian Aces of WW2
   Giovanni Massimello and Giorgio Apostolo

    It is a good read and gives insight to the who war for the Italian airmen, both in general and through the perspective of living it vicariuosly through the Aces who fought it.

 Ali D'italia series
  this series cover a number of Italian aircraft very well indead, it is in Italian and English and I think they have one on the C 202/205 series, I love the one I have on the P 108 and the Z506.

 I also have the book by Squadron signal on the C 202/205 although not difinative it give a good overview of the machines.

  Book's on Italian anything are hard to find I would be very interested in hearing of others people have as well  :)

 I have spent almost all my time in FTS's this tour in the C 205, I used to fly it a lot about this time last year, coming back to it has been good :)

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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2001, 07:19:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Kratzer:
How do you refer to squadrons?  For example, you guys are "4° Stormo Caccia" is the '°' for 'degrees', as it would be in english?  Would you say '4 degrees Stormo Caccia'?

Can you recommend a good english language book on Italian WWII aircraft?  Since I've adopted the C.205 as my new baby, I've been interested in reading up on the subject.   :)

Thanks in advance!

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Book's on Italian anything are hard to find I would be very interested in hearing of others people have as well


Regia Aeronautica vol.1 and 2
A Pictoral History of the Italian Air Force 1940-1943 by Christopher Shores is good but old. Hard to find.

A better book is Courage Alone: the italian air force 1940-1943 by Chris Dunning

Air War Italy 1944-1945 The Axis Air Forces from the Liberation of Rome to the Surrender by Nick Beale, Ferdinando D'Amico and Gabriele Valentini


Here is were you can buy Ali di italia books and other italian aviation boos from a distributor in the US.
 http://pacmodelscatalog.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=PCM&Category_Code=books
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2001, 07:50:00 PM »
I think its not DEGREES but the italian equivalent of the english "th" in "4th". "4to" in spanish. I may be wrong though, but its my best guess, Spanish being yet another bastardized child of Latin  ;)
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2001, 12:31:00 AM »
pdog_109 , TY great stuff I will defentaly order a couple of books from thier :)
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2001, 02:12:00 AM »
Heya Kratzer,

eheh, no it doesnt mean deegres but the th of 4th   ;)

Anyway, for historians:
- the little Osprey book about italian aces is good,
- "Courage Alone" by Chris Dunning is not bad,
- Ferdinando D'Amico books "Air War Italy", 1943-45, is very detailed,
- Brian Cull's "Hurricane Over Tobruk" and "Spitfires over Sicily", very good,
- "Fighters Over the Desert" by Christopher Shores, old but a classic,
- Malta the Hurricanes Years and Malta the Spitfires Years, Grub Street publisher, the bibles,
- Hell Island, by Dan McCaffery (about Malta, of course) is also *very* good. Really dramatic.

All the above books are full of stories about dogfights against Macchi C.200, C.202, C.205 and Re2001,

For modellers, tech stuff and profiles:

"Ali d'Italia" Series (italian-english text), 17 issues so far, covers pretty all italian WW2 a/c. Good tech infos, good profiles, good operational history. No C.205 so far though     :(. For modellers and historians.

"Aviolibri" and "Aviolibri Special" Series by Maurizio di Terlizzi, IBN publisher (italian-english text), cover pretty well the Series 5 fiters: C.205, Re2005 and G.55, good tech infos. The Special series is about the C.202, the Ju87 (flown by italian squads) and the C.200, mostly for modellers.

Then there is the AEROFAN Series (italian-english text) with *very good* historical articles about WW2 italian a/c and pilots.

Good luck!   :)

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2001, 12:06:00 PM »
Thanks a bunch guys, especially GATT.  I'll try and track some of these titles down!
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2001, 06:50:00 PM »
Well, the local library, and University of Colorado libraries each had exactly zero of these.   :(

I searched amazon, and found these... I'll post links for anyone else who is interested.

Is this the 'Air War Italy' you referred to?
Air War Over Italy

Found these, but out of print!Courage Alone
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0668020709/qid%3D1004748908/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F0%5F1/102-2301504-3952151[/url" TARGET=_blank>

These were more promising:
Spitfires Over Sicily
[url=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/190230411X/qid%3D1004748830/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F0%5F1/102-2301504-3952151]Hurricanes Over Tobruk

Malta: The Hurricane Years
Couldn't find the Spitfire Years... odd

Hell Island

Is there a book from this series on the 205?  If so, anyone know where to find it?  This is more what I am interested in, and if I could find one that had multiple aircraft in one volume, I would be thrilled.
Reggiane Re 2005 Sagittario (Aviolibri 4)

So of the ones I could find, which would you recommend as a good starting point, GATT?

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2001, 03:37:00 AM »
Kratzer,
yes AVIOLIBRI issue #1, by M. Di Terlizzi, IBN Editore, is about the Macchi C.205 "Veltro", ISBN: 88-86815-55-7.

Try here, the site is a serious online bookshop, but in italian:  http://www.internetbookshop.it/ser/serdsp.asp?shop=1&c=BEROM3KU00RQY
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2001, 04:42:00 PM »
I'll link it again.
 http://pacmodelscatalog.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=PCM&Category_Code=books  

Has the Aviolibri and others in English as its a US seller.
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2001, 06:02:00 PM »
terrific!
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2001, 10:56:00 PM »
If you want to see a real Macchi C.202 you can see one at the smithsonean air and space museum at Washington DC. They claim that theirs is one of only 2 remaining in the world.  I dont know where the other one is.
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2001, 12:55:00 AM »
Thank you for the link, Pdog, I missed it. Anyway, in Milan there is a beautiful C.205. Near Rome, in the Museo Of Vigna di Valle (Lake of Bracciano) there are a C.200, a C.202 and a C.205, all beautifully restored. One of the C.205 was in flying conditions till was damaged during a "hard" land. AerMacchi is planning to make it fly again ... maybe  ;)
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2001, 01:21:00 AM »
Wow!
Many good links for books.
I'll add one. A bookstore I stumbled upon in London last September. www.motorbooks.co.uk
Enjoy  ;)
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