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For you P38 lovers
« on: April 10, 2009, 02:14:48 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6Xd8xbd6A&feature=rec-HM-rev-rn

Very nice film, and yes it's safe to view at the office (even if your wife happen to be there).

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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2009, 02:17:12 PM »
beautiful aircraft........but it's a crying shame what they did to the instrument cluster.



thanks for posting! :aok
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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2009, 02:17:18 PM »
WTF is up with that instrument panel?? You'd think they'd have tried to get something at least close to accurate on that thing.  :(
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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2009, 02:50:58 PM »
I don't care about the Instrument panel, I just am happy another P-38 is in the air. I herd somewhere only 3 are left in the World.

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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2009, 03:08:11 PM »
I don't care about the Instrument panel, I just am happy another P-38 is in the air. I herd somewhere only 3 are left in the World.

go here.

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p38registry/p38registry.html
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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2009, 04:48:50 PM »
The only historic aircraft I would condone the redesign of the instrument panel of is the F4 Phantom II. The panel was absolutely awful. The clock was right in the middle. THE CLOCK.

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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2009, 06:34:13 PM »
I have been Proven wrong. thank you Sir.  :salute

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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2009, 11:03:12 PM »
I have no problems with the new panel, I appreciate that it is designed to aviate, navigate and communicate the aircraft safely through the skies.  Old panels are for museum aircraft, flying aircraft need to operate safely.
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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2009, 11:11:28 PM »
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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2009, 12:05:49 AM »
I have no problems with the new panel, I appreciate that it is designed to aviate, navigate and communicate the aircraft safely through the skies.  Old panels are for museum aircraft, flying aircraft need to operate safely.

ya..because the original panel didn't safely take our brave men on 1200 mile missions or anything silly like that..........
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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2009, 12:24:39 AM »
ya..because the original panel didn't safely take our brave men on 1200 mile missions or anything silly like that..........

Try to think of it this way, those are state-of-the-art avionics, and considering the difference in capability between 2009 and 1940 state-of-the-art, they're an excellent way to help preserve the aircraft from flying mishaps.  Especially considering its a very nice, clean installation.  At least the rebuilt the whole thing instead of just jamming a radio somewhere it would fit.

If I owned a Warbird, damn sure I'd do the same thing.
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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2009, 12:28:11 AM »
Try to think of it this way, those are state-of-the-art avionics, and considering the difference in capability between 2009 and 1940 state-of-the-art, they're an excellent way to help preserve the aircraft from flying mishaps.  Especially considering its a very nice, clean installation.  At least the rebuilt the whole thing instead of just jamming a radio somewhere it would fit.

If I owned a Warbird, damn sure I'd do the same thing.



ya, i do understand that.........it....just doesn't look right in there.

 on the other hand, like you said, at least she;s safely flyable, and not setting rotting with a stick stuck up her arse like the one at mcguire afb. it would be soooooo good to see that one restored to flight.
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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2009, 03:13:03 PM »
ya..because the original panel didn't safely take our brave men on 1200 mile missions or anything silly like that..........

Ahh, want to guess how many guys got lost, didn't find their way home, ran out of gas?  Want to speculate whether the air traffic control system might have changed in 60 or 70 years?  Wonder if it is harder to replace a toasted engine or destroyed P38 is any harder to do now?

I do think if you polled real life pilots, most would go for the new improved panel if they were the guys trying to fly the aircraft.  When I fly, I always prefer the most modern equipment in the cockpit.

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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2009, 04:09:51 PM »
They could have at least kept it looking somewhat correct, like the one in Porky II or Glacier Girl. Both incorporate modern navigation and safety equipment in more 'realistic' setups- the whole cockpit on the Red Bull bird looks like it was yanked out of a modern civil aircraft, not like it belongs in a plane designed in 1939.

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Re: For you P38 lovers
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2009, 09:46:06 PM »
You know, Glacier Girl basically has the original instruments plus a VFR GPS and that's it.  You want to chalk that up as an attempt to make the overall aircraft a "restoration", that's fine with me.  When you have Steve Hinton at the controls every flight, that's almost as good as state-of-the-art avionics. 

But, multi-function displays and their ever-expanding capabilities are revolutionizing general aviation and making flight much safer.  I've pretty much told myself that I'm not getting my instrument ticket until I know I'm flying behind those types of avionics.  I'm the ultimate purist when it comes to some things, but if it assists with safety of flight, I'll take the most up to date stuff you can install, regardless.  New systems save weight, reduce the load on the electrical system, and provide more capability--win-win in my book.  If I owned one of those aircraft, it would have a historical paint job but a state of the art avionics package, complete with a more ergonomically designed panel.
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