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Offline Jimdandy

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« on: August 14, 2001, 10:25:00 AM »
Any word on when the Tiger will be added?

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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2001, 03:50:00 PM »
Don't know, but we need a T-34 of some kind before the Tiger or some other enemy contemporary of the PzIV befor adding a perk tank like the Tiger.

Although I've no idea if this will occur, sorry.  :)
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2001, 03:52:00 PM »
I agree.

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2001, 12:56:00 AM »
S!

Better to have the 75mm Sherman.  It was the most common Allied tank.  Used by the U.S., British and also lendleased to the Russians and used in their Mechanized divisions.

Best model would be the M4A3.

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2001, 02:17:00 AM »
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S!

Better to have the 75mm Sherman.  It was the most common Allied tank.  Used by the U.S., British and also lendleased to the Russians and used in their Mechanized divisions.

Best model would be the M4A3.


How many shermans were build? Russians build 35000 T34/76 (a,b,c + other variants) and 18000 T34/85. Totaly 53000! And if we someday get tiger or panther or any other german steelbeast, T34 has much better changes than infantrykiller sherman againts them... I vote for T34/85

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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2001, 03:13:00 PM »
I've got the feeling the T-34 was more numerous than the Sherman. You know what the Russians were like at mass producing stuff. The Il-2 was the most numerous plane, for instance.

It would be nice to have both though, and then Tigers and IS's etc.
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2001, 03:18:00 PM »
From what I gather they are adding the Tiger II. I would like to see the T-34 added first. If they are going to add a Tiger though I hope it will be the Tiger I. I like the way it looks. I might be nice to see a light tank added for some speed.

[ 08-15-2001: Message edited by: Jimdandy ]

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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2001, 03:21:00 PM »
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You are correct.  The T-34 was more numerous.  When I said most produced Allied tank, I meant US/British.

There is already almost a complete set of German and US/British AFV`s, the addition of the Sherman and a German Halftrack would give each side a tank, halftrack and AA vehicle.

After that, by all means add the T-34, and then after than a Japanese or Italian tank.  Perhaps the Semovente 75mm Self propelled Gun.

My point was that adding a Tiger when a Pz MkIV already exists is not going to help the vehicle balance.

As mentioned, the Sherman was used by Soviets as well.

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2001, 07:07:00 PM »
T 34 would be much better IMO, although we nead a perk tank...My choice would be a Panther much better tank than a Tiger.

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2001, 07:23:00 PM »
T-34/76 or/85..........better than a Sherman IMO.
The Christie suspension (rejected by an ignorant US Army) enabled high speeds on and off road, did it not?
And we know that the Russian tank guns were pretty darn mean; it would give us a choice at least.

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2001, 11:48:00 AM »
The T34s were great, but did not have a gyro stabelized main gun.  This was one of the most important technical innovations introduced with the Sherman tank, enabling it to fire its' main gun accurately while moving. Other tank types had to stop to shoot (making them easier to hit if they did so).  Not sure whether this feature could be modeled in AH, but it would make the Sherman a better assault tank, as opposed to defensive vehicle. As for the Sherman track system - the average Sherman could do 800 miles on a set of tracks before needing replacements as opposed to something under 150 for the Panzer MkIV. This was a major operational plus. The diesel engined Shermans were also less fire-prone than the gasoline engined versions.
Both T34 and Sherman tanks should be modeled IMO, as both tanks appeared in a wide variety of models and large numbers.  The ubiquitous Sherman was widely used by all allied forces, including all Commonwealth forces plus the Free French. It was used in African, Italian and Western Europe theatres.

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2001, 12:19:00 PM »
The sherman gyro never worked right, thats why the didnt have them on the 76mm gun versions.

The diesel shermans were only used by some US Marines in the Pacific, and the British/Canadians, and possibly some for the Russians (not sure which ones they got without checking more).

Ive never heard of such a short lifetime for PanzerIV track, 150 miles is practically one fuel load in a panzerIV, so that doesnt make sense. Anyway the PanzerIV is very light and I see no reason why its simple track would have any problems. Where do you get this figure?

The sherman is also a deathtrap due to its very high shilouette, low power gun (the 75mm is absolute garbage for AP performance as it's basically a slightly modernized low-velocity pre-WW1 origin "French75" fieldpiece). Pus they burned very easily, had thin and vertical side armor. It was vulnerable to a wide range of german weapons at nearly all reasonable combat ranges.
It was criminal to keep that thing in production past 1943 without replacement or at least a 90mm gun. Even the 76mm was generally pointless until late in the war
when HVAP ammo came about, but even then it was severly limited in supply overall and Tankers were OFFICIALLY forbidden to get any quantity of it as it was mostly sent to the TDs. Really criminal.

The T34 is a better choice the 76mm gun is inferior to the PanzerIVs 75mm, as are its sights. The 85mm weapon is similar to the US 76mm and PzIV 75mm in performance, but still suffers in sighting. It has a better armor layout than either Sherman or PanzerIV, it has roughly equal shilouette to PzIV, both being vastly superior to sherman in this regard.

As for tiger or any perk tank in AH, it would be a good tank for tank fighting but It will simply be dive bombed every time its seen.

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2001, 12:22:00 PM »
I was watching a show on the History Channel about the Sherman. They interviewed former crew members and mechanics. I don't think I would want to be in one of those things when I ran into a Panzer. The Shermans got the tar kicked out of them most of the time. The crews talked about watching the rounds bounce off the Panzers.

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2001, 12:38:00 PM »
The Sherman would be the equivalent of a Brewster Buffalo in the MA if added into AH right now.

 Westy


p.s. NOT the Finnish version Brewster  ;)

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2001, 01:41:00 PM »
Well i was going to say what a POS the Sherman was but GRUNHERZ beat me to it in spades :)

  True any perk tank will be dive bombed to death, they better be cheap :)