Can pufy ack get turned down please

[Wingnutt]

it shouldn't bother firing at a maneuvering fighter at 10k+ in real life it would be quite literally imposable to get any kind of solution on a target moving over 300mph and constantly changing direction at that altitude.. but yet in the game it will not only shoot at it, but it will often hit it, and not only will it often hit it, it will hit it while firing through a mountain.
 

[Spikes]

I wish they'd code it to fire at bomb-laden aircraft FIRST.

[waystin2]

Ack is supposed to be deadly.  I cannot comment to it's targeting or accuracy settings, but friendly or enemy ack is supposed to damage aircraft regardless of affiliation.  Maybe stay away from ack?

[BnZs]

I wish they'd code it to fire at bomb-laden aircraft FIRST.

There you go!

[BnZs]

Ack is supposed to be deadly.  I cannot comment to it's targeting or accuracy settings, but friendly or enemy ack is supposed to damage aircraft regardless of affiliation.  Maybe stay away from ack?

There is no staying away from autopuffy if you are defending a base under CV attack or the like. People's problem with the puffy is not that it is deadly, but that it seems much more likely to annoy distant fighters than to actually protect the CV from dangerous attacks by buffs and Jabos. Like I say, it literally targets the highest aircraft in range, and that is a problematic targeting method.

[hitech]

Once again myths abound.

Ack does not target the highest plane, it simply targets the closest with a dead band (I.e. once targeted to change targets some one hast to be at least X closer , not just closer)

But 2 new Ideas did occur to us to change some things.

1. Priorities targets based on incoming vs outgoing, I.E. Incoming first.
2. Do not target a plane if X number of friendlies are in Y range of it.


HiTech

[Spikes]

Once again myths abound.

Ack does not target the highest plane, it simply targets the closest with a dead band (I.e. once targeted to change targets some one hast to be at least X closer , not just closer)

But 2 new Ideas did occur to us to change some things.

1. Priorities targets based on incoming vs outgoing, I.E. Incoming first.
2. Do not target a plane if X number of friendlies are in Y range of it.


HiTech

Makes more sense now, since I've heard about 10 different things.

For the incoming/outgoing situation, that will just mean it targets a plane that has more of a degree on the CV than one with out?

Also, with what I had mentioned before, is that do-able, with targeting bomb-laden planes before non-bomb-laden?

[Saurdaukar]

Once again myths abound.

Ack does not target the highest plane, it simply targets the closest with a dead band (I.e. once targeted to change targets some one hast to be at least X closer , not just closer)

But 2 new Ideas did occur to us to change some things.

1. Priorities targets based on incoming vs outgoing, I.E. Incoming first.
2. Do not target a plane if X number of friendlies are in Y range of it.


HiTech

I like both.  Target priority would make a huge impact on the "expected" behavior of AI gunners and, to a lesser extent, although it happened often, guns with access to Mk II Eyeballs would like not desire to fire in proximity to friendly A/C.

[sethipus]

1. Priorities targets based on incoming vs outgoing, I.E. Incoming first.

And how about adding that incoming bombers get priority over incoming fighters?

2. Do not target a plane if X number of friendlies are in Y range of it.

If Y is the range limits within which puffy ack can explode around the target it's aiming at, then I would say X ought to be 1.

I can't think of any good reason why the gunners on the ground ought to purposefully continue lobbing shells up at a target which is under direct attack by a friendly aircraft.  So, in my view, the rule ought to be if a friendly aircraft enters the space around an aircraft in which puffy ack can explode (like a sphere or a cube or whatever of X number of feet around that aircraft) the firing stops.

ps: this, btw, is why I said it was bogus that my 262 got blown up by friendly puffy ack a few weeks ago - there's no good reason why those ack gunners should have been firing when I was attacking those bombers

[BnZs]

Once again myths abound.

Ack does not target the highest plane, it simply targets the closest with a dead band (I.e. once targeted to change targets some one hast to be at least X closer , not just closer)

I have seen it happen over and over, in close wing with a friendly, slightly higher, I start getting flack puffs around me, I get beneath them, it picks them up. Will try to get film of the phenomenon.

How about priortizing ord-laden aircraft over clean ones, or at least 4 engine bombers over single-engine fighters, if possible? Anything to make it auto puffy do its job better without unduly annoying fighters attempting to dogfight would be nice.

[Ack-Ack]

I can't think of any good reason why the gunners on the ground ought to purposefully continue lobbing shells up at a target which is under direct attack by a friendly aircraft.  So, in my view, the rule ought to be if a friendly aircraft enters the space around an aircraft in which puffy ack can explode (like a sphere or a cube or whatever of X number of feet around that aircraft) the firing stops.

I can think of a really good one...the ship the gunner is protecting is far more vital than a couple of friendly planes chasing the attacking enemy plane.  Don't think it never happened or wasn't common place.  There are many stories of US fighter planes getting caught up in friendly AAA fire as they were trying to intercept Japanese planes attacking the fleet.  A ship's gunner isn't going to hold his fire just because there is a Hellcat or two on the tail of a kamikazi bearing down on his ship.


ack-ack

[Greebo]

Actually I remember reading of an incident where a ship's gunnery officer held fire on an incoming Japanese torpedo bomber that was being closely chased by an F6F which should have broken off. IIRC the torpedo hit the ship and the officer was court martialled.

[Lusche]

Another point is plane identification. Despite all training, identification handbooks and binoculars, ack gunners of all nations tended to shoot first and ask question laters.
See Unternehmen Bodenplatte, where 30-35 German Fighter pilots had been shot down by German AA batteries...

[Cajunn]

I know in some cases when there are buff's or attacking planes on the deck you cant shoot at them with friendly's taking off because they burst around the area of the friendly's.

[Motherland]

Once again myths abound.

Ack does not target the highest plane, it simply targets the closest with a dead band (I.e. once targeted to change targets some one hast to be at least X closer , not just closer)

But 2 new Ideas did occur to us to change some things.

1. Priorities targets based on incoming vs outgoing, I.E. Incoming first.
2. Do not target a plane if X number of friendlies are in Y range of it.


HiTech

Could it also target planes based on ordinance or sortie type, or even just plane type? I.E., the puffy ack shoots at the B24/what have you coming to bomb the CV/factory, not the furball happening just near it?